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Secret hearings, secret evidence, legal aid cuts – Welcome to Nazi Britain

Is Britain already a police state?

Is this the future for Britain?

The government is to introduce secret court hearings using secret evidence whilst cutting criminal legal aid in an attempt to protect the government from being held to account, all under the guise of “national security” and the need to save money.

For those with a knowledge of history, the similarity of these latest measures with the manner in which Hitler grew to having ultimate power over Germany’s citizens whilst ensuring government power could not be limited, will be obvious.

To those who do not recognize the similarity, we strongly advise you obtain a good history book and read it – twice.

No money in the government coffers, national security and the protection of children were all used by the Nazis as justification for the erosion of freedoms and civil liberty, the incarceration of trouble makers and social outcasts, longer prison sentences for criminals, cutting immigration and  eventually, the building of concentration camps.

We may not have concentration camps yet in this country (they were a British invention by the way, not German) but we do have detention centres and the government has plans to build more.

Two years ago, warned that these new measures, all designed to give the government more power, would be introduced and now, they have been.

To be clear, these are real measures being put through Parliament right now, the first being the Justice and Security Bill – a euphemism for more state control – which allows for secret courts and which was slavishly supported by MPs yesterday.

The country’s most senior judge Lord Neuberger, president of the Supreme Court, is critical of the measures. He said:

“Anybody interested in justice and democracy will be very troubled by any legislation which involves having hearings which are closed in the sense of not open to the public because the public should see what’s going on, and possibly even more concerned about cases where one party cannot see the evidence which the other party is showing to the judge.”

One must also ask that if evidence is to be hidden from one of the parties in civil cases, how long before the same measure is introduced in criminal trials? Terrorism cases are already subject to secrecy in some cases.

The government says it is all about saving money and not an assault on freedom. At present, it says, sensitive intelligence cannot be produced in court – (often for fear of upsetting the Americans but the government does not want to say so) – and the government ends up giving in and paying millions of pounds in compensation.

That argument however falls flat in the light of today’s announcement by Grayling that legal aid is to be cut in criminal trials. Justice will not take place at all if a defendant cannot obtain a decent defence lawyer.

Some have suggested that the Justice Secretary would have looked quite at home in an SS uniform. We pass no opinion on that particular view but cannot help but compare Mr Grayling’s measures with those of the Third Reich as they are factually similar.

Nor are we unaware of the propaganda so often put out by Theresa May and the lobby groups (sorry! – we meant “charities”) that support her as she spews her ambition-driven bile all over the front page of the Sun and the Daily Mail, desperately trying to get us all to believe that we are in mortal and constant danger from immigrants, Muslims and child molesters – which by the way, we are not.

One might possibly believe that Theresa May has learnt well from Dr Joseph Goebbels, Hitler’s Minister for Propaganda, just as Tony Blair appears to have done.

British justice is based on the principle of ‘open justice’. In other words, justice must not only be done but be seen to be done. Both the new measures outlined above destroy that principle. Both measures ultimately give all the power to the state and take power away from the citizen.

Regrettably however, the fault lies with adult British citizens themselves. They have been more concerned with ‘The X Factor’, Jimmy Savile, football and banker’s bonuses than with what is happening in Parliament and the introduction of measures that will affect everyone – including themselves and their children.

Lessons have not been learned after the massive power-grab undertaken by Tony Blair; lessons have not been learned from the appalling IPP sentence introduced by David Blunkett; lessons have not been learned from the constant growth of the ‘surveillance state’ which is now so beloved by the Home Secretary, Theresa May – and lessons have not been learned from history either.

Experience teaches us that if nations do not learn from history, history will repeat itself until they do.

Lord Neuberger says he is frightened that the Rule of Law may be lost when the new measures are introduced and that people “may take the law into their own hands.” believes that Neuberger may have learned what others have not. Judges of his status and calibre do not make the comments he has made without considerable thought and prior consideration of the long-tem effects.

Politicians on the other hand are only capable of thinking short-term whilst more sensible people think of the long-term effects of legislation and the law of unintended consequences.

Some government MPs voted against the secret courts but were overwhelmed by the sycophants who are more interested in their own well-being rather than doing what is right for the citizens they supposedly represent.

It is a fact that it is highly unlikely that anyone in Parliament will ever be affected by the new measures.

It is hoped by those of us who love freedom that the House of Lords will come to the rescue of the majority of citizens who, for whatever reason, seem impotent when it comes to protecting themselves against the state. Citizens who insist on government doing everything for them and who have given away the power they once had to help themselves. believes however that it is highly likely the new measures will become law, simply because everyone is noticing what is happening far too late in the day.

The broadcasters and the press, like most British citizens, have been far too interested in Jimmy Savile, the NHS and the queen to notice what has been happening with the Justice and Security Bill.

The situation is made worse by the fact that individuals in Britain are not taught the Law or Constitution in school, they are not brought up to have an interest in the one thing that is guaranteed to affect their lives – politics – and they are not encouraged by parents to think for themselves, most parents being far too protective towards their children instead of encouraging kids to learn to deal with problems that may be encountered in daily life.

What is more, successive British governments have engineered this situation. It has not come about by coincidence or accident and British people have allowed it to develop.

Just like the Germans in the mid-1930s, the citizens of Britain will do nothing, say nothing and ignore what is happening until one day they awaken to the sound of tanks rolling down the road and find troops on every street corner.

Freedom will at that point be lost forever, if indeed that is not the case already.

It is the right of every voter in Britain (at present anyway) to contact their MP; yet hardly any MPs have received representation over these latest measures that are sapping the freedom of citizens. Whether people do now contact their representatives in Parliament having read this article is of course entirely a matter for them. It is also their right not to contact their MP if they choose not to.

Nevertheless,  would argue that to do nothing is to allow the government to seize power over the citizen in a manner that is truly terrifying. If the politicians are not prepared to stand up and be counted then all is lost already but, if they are prepared to listen to the fears of their constituents, it may not be too late if the constituents themselves are prepared to make those concerns clear.

Edmund Burke, the great Irish philosopher and orator once famously said that “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.”

Unfortunately, the British seem to be rather good at ‘doing nothing’ where their freedom is concerned; something that may eventually result in the state having complete control of their lives, their freedoms, their ambitions…and their children.

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6 Responses to Secret hearings, secret evidence, legal aid cuts – Welcome to Nazi Britain

  1. Kim
    April 28, 2014 at 2:19 pm

    Sign this petition as we believe in IPP being retrospective!!!

    Many prisoners are treated inhumanly, being held in custody for years far after their tariff has expired. I started this petition to change the structure of IPP. It will give prisoners a final date for their release. It is important to give them, as well as family and friends a date to look forward to.

  2. TERRY
    June 6, 2013 at 3:37 pm

    seretcourt be happening for years at the royal court of justice??? look at my facebook/seretcourthearings

  3. Avon tomas totton
    April 30, 2013 at 2:11 am

    I live in failinge rochdale personally i have nt ever had a racist opioin on anyone for me people are people whatever walk of life or background your from we have however in failinge always had a hardcore of residents greatly involved in nazi life they disgust me they are scum! i work damn hard every day and abide by all laws to see day in and day out these thugs bieng so ignorant and commiting hate crimes with no police intervention makes a mockery of the police system! our police in rochdale may as well have sided with them they are ruining a once good area! ex-anti-nazi-leauge and searchlight member.

  4. pete
    March 5, 2013 at 6:56 pm

    We are entering exceedingly dark times, all in the name of “security”, “public protection” and the banality of cost-slashing. Freedom from State tyranny, it seems, or at least the freedom to obtain legal defense against the whims and panics of the State, is now too expensive.

    The apparent indifference to liberty amongst ordinary people, if it’s true, is a recent phenomenon. You only have to read the works of our radical historians – Christopher Hill, E. P. Thompson, Eric Hobsbawm – to see that the “lower orders” were heroically (and, it has to be said, ferociously) militant about the defense and advance of liberty. It was never granted to the proles out of the largesse of enlightened rulers; it was always wrought, often forcibly, from the tightly clenched and obstinate grip of the high and mighty.

    I’m not persuaded that slothfulness and bovine complacency lie behind the endless assaults on freedom launched by our elected representatives. Ordinary people often find enormous resources and resilience within and between themselves when called upon to do so, resources they never knew they had. I think another influence plays a much more powerful part: the inexorable growth of cynicism, a phenomenon which has filled the vacuum created by the collapse of a truly emancipatory politics.

    The role of the Labour governments of yore, as Ralph Miliband brilliantly showed in his extraordinary book, “Parliamentary Socialism,” was to domesticate and dampen the insurgent militancy of the lower orders – militancy for a more hopeful and just world – so that the socio-political status quo could go on functioning. But Old Labour still had to keep a watchful eye on those militants and occasionally appease them in order to survive. New Labour, the new managers of the status quo, had no such problem; an older militant working class had largely been eradicated, poverty had been individualised (and depicted as a personal failing) and an older working class solidarity had disintegrated and disappeared.

    Today, the problem isn’t apathy or stupidity, it’s cynicism. We all know that high-ranking politicians lie, that they have their snouts in various odious troughs, that they dance to the self-interested tune of unelected and wealthy lobbyists like the NSPCC and the arms and security industries. The problem, I fear, is the collapse of a viable project for social hope. Ordinary people feel powerless and unable to influence the political landscape; they know very well that whichever way they vote, the Government always gets in. And that Government will sycophantically follow the agenda of the most influential and wealthy lobbyists, it will comply with the whims of the same unelected advisers, and it will toe the line of the same pernicious ideology of public protection and security, which no one ever gets a chance to vote on.

    I don’t blame people for feeling cynical; we can’t easily throw our energies into a universally appealing vision of social hope and liberty, as there is not yet a vehicle for such aspirations. I think it’s why so many people are turning to New Age obscurantism, Western Buddhism and the innumerable paths to “inner peace” on commercial offer.

    But every so often, something comes alone which re-invigorates the centuries-long tradition of liberty, radicalism and resistance to tyranny that ordinary people have upheld against the violence and indifference of the powerful. I think Raymond Peytor’s latest article falls into this category. My first step, upon reading it, is to write without delay to my MP expressing my dismay and outrage about such a sinister, illiberal, semi-fascist attack on liberty. I hope others will follow suit.

  5. William
    March 5, 2013 at 4:09 pm

    This is my first ever comment on this excellent site though I have followed it for years.

    My grandfather fought against the Nazis to secure this country’s freedom. Little did he know that we would give that freedom away some years later, not to Europeans as one is so often led to believe, but to our own British government.

    Politicians only ever want more power. They are interested in nothing else, just like policemen in fact.

    If people do not start to fight back now, their freedom will be gone for ever.

    I am too old to matter but younger people are not. Everything that Raymond Peytors has said in this incredibly courageous article is true.

    People should take heed of it, before it is to late.

  6. Areus
    March 5, 2013 at 3:52 pm

    I find this genuinely frightening and I am disgusted that it has happened in full view of all of us. I seriously wonder if this nation will ever realise what real freedom is.

    I am British but thank God live in France and if this were to be proposed here, there would be riots in the streets.

    Why are the British so weak? Wht do they put such a low value on freedom which is really the only thing worth fighting for?

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