The Truth About IPP Sentences

Should Britain have a Statute of Limitations on sex crimes?

Britain is unique in Europe in that it has no Statute of Limitations for serious sexual crimes. This means that someone can be arrested, charged and convicted for a crime that they committed half a century ago, even though many witnesses may be dead, memories are faded and the only evidence is the word of the alleged victim – or more accurately, the accuser.

The limitation periods for other countries for this type of offence vary and they are often on a ‘sliding scale’ to take account of the age of the alleged victim or have exclusion or inclusion clauses built in.

The average limitation period across the EU is about 12 years from the date of the alleged offence with a maximum of 20 years if the alleged victim was under age at the time or if violence was supposedly involved.

The point is though that Britain has no limitation period at all and this is seen by many to be totally unjust.It is also true that one very rarely hears about ‘historic’ violent crimes.

Furthermore, the injustice of this situation is compounded by the fact that in such ‘historic’ cases of alleged rape or abuse, unless there is DNA, photographic or indisputable forensic evidence, there is very often nothing, other than the word of the alleged victim, on which to base a judgement of innocence or guilt.

Given that where alleged child victims are concerned, juries convict in 95% of all cases, there is little hope of  mounting any kind of effective defence when the period of time since any alleged offence being committed is so long. This is precisely why so many countries have a Statute of Limitations.

Yet this subject is never discussed in Parliament and any attempt to bring some rational thought ti the debate is closed down instantly. Any hint of reform in this are brings howls of pain and anguish from the NSPCC, Childline and all the other financially interested parties.

Yes, has made this point before but equally, nothing is ever done about the injustice of the situation or about the fact that many innocent men have been locked up for years.

Even David Cameron and his predecessors have admitted that up to 10% of those in jail for what would be very serious offences could very well be innocent.

The excuse for this? They are quick to tell us that, “No system is perfect.”

Only this last week, local councils have been complaining that so called ‘victims’ of abuse from many years ago have started various legal actions for what supposedly happened to them in their past, often 20, 30 or even 40 years ago when they were in care.

Because there is no Statute of Limitations the police investigate as if the alleged offence was committed yesterday, the whole ‘child protection’ machine rolls into action and the defendant – if one dare use the term – can do nothing because the only evidence is ‘here-say’ and uncorroborated but, thanks to a ruling by naive Law Lords years ago, can not only be admitted into court but often provides the backbone of the prosecution case.

The accused then has to prove that he is innocent (rather than the prosecution having to prove that he is guilty) as indeed does any defendant nowadays charged with child abuse. The difference is that there very often is no evidence on either side – yet juries still almost always convict in historic cases as they are fearful of doing otherwise.

The sentence is often small as the sentence has to reflect the law in force at the time but the payout to the ‘victim’ is often in the tens of thousands of pounds. Meanwhile, the damage done to often innocent people and their families is catastrophic.

A proud policeman then stands on the steps of the court and tries to justify the huge expense and use of sarce resources resulting from the investigation by claiming that “No matter how long ago these offences took place, we have brought the offender to justice.”

There is of course no mention whatsoever of the often very substantial compensation paid to the ‘victim’ who then needs to take a luxury holiday to ‘recover’ from the stress of the ordeal. along with many others think it is a little odd that the number of ‘historic’ sex cases brought before UK courts has doubled over the last 3 years – 3 years of financial recession and hardship for many.

Some years ago, the German government abolished payouts for sex abuse cases except where there was corroborated evidence. The result was a drop of over 80% in the number of complaints from would be ‘victims’.

The use of highly emotive and incredibly destructive accusations by money-grabbing individuals who find themselves a bit short is not only an affront to the rest of us but also undermines the cause of genuine victims of abuse. That alone is a reason for Parliament to discuss this politically uncomfortable issue yet successive governments refuse to do so and if you raise the matter with your MP, he or she is very likely to end the conversation there and then.

Accusations of child abuse have in recent years been transformed into the perfect ‘blunt weapon’ for those who have a grievance against someone. Everybody knows it, nobody denies it, yet no one wants to do anything about it, not even MPs who have been on the recieving end.

Liberal Democrat MP, Mike Hancock was recently investigated by the police for indecent assault as well as being accused of being a ‘paedophile’ in the recent election. Has he make a stand for those similarly falsely accused? Has he supported any review of IPP sentences? Has he raised the question of ‘historic’ accusations?

No, he has not.

All he has done instead is to ignore calls for a rethink on what is an inhuman policy for those who are falsely accused and he continues, as does every other MP, to support every motion brought before the House relating to sex offenders and child abuse, no matter how unjust or unreasonable such measures may be and seemingly without any regard to the destruction that historic accusations can bring to the falsely accused, their families and very often their children as well.

Without a Statute of Limitations, everyone – without exception – is fair game if someone has a grievance against them. The further back in time the allegation goes, the easier it is to get a conviction and the more chance there is of a nice, fat, juicy payout. would suggest that without a Statute of Limitation we are all potential targets for this type of action. If someone has genuinely been abused, despite what the ‘experts’ tell us, it is unlikely that they would really wait 40 years to tell anyone,  and to be frank, if they do wait that long, their motives for so belatedly bringing the accusation should be examined in the finest detail.

So, watch out because any of us could be next.

True, you may be completely innocent but that will not save you from a legal system that allows such easy convictions for alleged offences that are so old,  based on often non-existent evidence and are impossible to prove one way or the other, yet which have a big fat cheque waiting for the lucky winner.

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139 Responses to Should Britain have a Statute of Limitations on sex crimes?

  1. angela
    June 22, 2017 at 9:33 pm

    I would like to know why people who have been falsely accused are forced to use their home to pay for legal costs and the accusers get everything for nothing including fares back and to court. It seems to me that accusers who make false allegations don’t get punished either. the law should be changed that if a person is found not guilty then the accuser should foot the bill for wasting police and court time not to mention putting someone through hell who is completely innocent. How can someone be found guilty without proper evidence To say He/she did this so many years ago is not right there should be proper evidence to prove what they are saying not made up stories that most family members try to do its easy to say someone has done something when the two people have been in close contact with each other the accuser takes innocent moments and adds the dirty parts to convince the police its strange how some of these so called victims can remember every little detail word for word but cant remember how old they were or what day of the week it was even their witnesses have been coached into what they have to say and strangely enough it all seems to be like a big play.accusers claiming they know what other accusers have said and done yet they then say they thought they were the only one when relating their evidence to the police I find it hard to understand how the police side with these people who accuse innocent people of these horrific crimes yet the police don’t investigate the accused side of their story when they have been arrested they offer the accuses all sorts of help including hiding behind a curtain in court.Why are adults who claim they have been raped or assaulted 25 or more years ago frightened to face their accused it should be banned for anyone over the age of 18 to hide from the person they are accusing if they are so certain these crime have been committed then face your attacker so you can show them your not afraid to face them and you seek justice Hiding from them tells me that they are ashamed to face the person they are accusing because they know they have lied about the case. I have read all the statements in my brothers case from all the witnesses for the prosecution and they all read the same considering some were not even born when these so call crime were committed it is strange how all four say the same in relation to what the accusers say and since all their stories match as well word for word this tells me that the all of them sat down and concocted up this story between them It is based on a lot of hearsay as well.Our solicitor laughed as she read their statements even she is wondering why this case has arrived at court Hopefully justice will be seen done and my brother will walk away completely innocent

  2. An angry survivor.
    February 24, 2017 at 6:45 pm

    You state that “There is of course no mention whatsoever of the often very substantial compensation paid to the ‘victim’ who then needs to take a luxury holiday to ‘recover’ from the stress of the ordeal.” when in fact in the UK compensation is limited to £5000 and can only be used for psychotherapy and like treatments.

    As a victim, alongside two of my siblings, of abuse by an older male relative, I find your article offensive in the extreme. Your ignorance is only exceeded by your ignorance. Get your facts right.

    • Steve
      March 14, 2017 at 1:19 pm

      Angry survivor, i have been falsely accused of historic sexual abuse of a child, from over twenty years ago, the girl used to play with my daughter so would have been in my house many a time, she was able to accurately describe my bedroom, my daughters bedroom etc, i now face seven charges of sexual abuse, apart from “i didn’t do it” i have no defence, this girl sheds crocodile tears in her interview at the police station and tells the police exactly what they need to hear. My defence barrister has told me i have very little chance of getting a not guilty verdict especially with the recent Saville and co trials, and also a female rape victim can get eleven grand compensation, i believe child victims get more, so where you get five thou from i don’t know, so maybe you need to look again and also think of men who may find themselves looking at a substantial prison sentence when in fact they are innocent, i have my trial to look forward to and the destruction of my family as they deal with what is happening, also prison is not the end of it for the the falsely accused man, i will find myself unemployed, unemployable, homeless (as to go back home where my grandchildren would possibly visit, brings the hell of social workers and pedo coppers), have no money (my legal fees have wiped out my savings) and basically i will have no prospects, my wife, if she wants to be a hands on grandmother will have no option but to divorce me, so i face my middle years alone with nothing but loneliness, great.

  3. Joshua K
    December 10, 2016 at 5:47 pm

    While I wish I had time to read all of the responses to this article, I only found this piece and this website for that matter through research undertaken alongside my studies – I have a qualifying law degree where one of my specialisms is sexual offences, and am currently studying a Masters in Law.

    I think the status quo on limitations, in respect of the criminal law, is important and works.
    The idea of imposing a limitation, by statute, on when a case may be brought in light of serious allegations is reprehensible, bordering on offensive.
    In England and Wales there is absolutely no chance of a conviction being secured in a rape case without evidence; or for any offence for that matter. We have a remarkably stringent system of checks and balances for evidence, including different thresholds that the defence and Crown must respectively meet.

    If someone is charged after 5, 10, or 20 years for a rape, an offence contrary to section 1 Sexual Offences Act (2003), then this must require at least some evidence. A plausible witness statement will not usually be sufficient.
    If the matter proceeds to trial the requirements become even heavier, the Woolmington rule requires that the Crown/prosecution prove their case beyond any reasonable doubt. It’s amazing that we have any successful convictions with that threshold but it is essential to ensuring that the defendant can meet the power and influence brought to bear by the State/Crown.

    To impose a limitation would be the ultimate injustice, the injustice would be threefold – firstly, an offender or with these stakes many offenders can walk free and we know rape and sexual offences like other crimes of power tend to be repeated. Thus, a limitation would put the public at risk unacceptably. Secondly, the victim has an inherent right to redress even if this is limited to an investigation. Lastly, the idea of someone returning to British soil having allowed such a period to elapse is disgusting, and would in all likelihood pressure the Courts to adopt trial in absentia as a more common medium.

    The imposition of a statute of limitations for sexual crimes and the other serious crimes with which it is left unaffected by limitations would be a grievous wound to our criminal justice system and the faith placed in it by the public.

    • TheOpinionSite
      December 12, 2016 at 2:38 pm

      Presumably then, every other country in the EU – plus the US – has it all wrong. People should be glad that you are not their defence lawyer. Have you never heard of Similar Fact Evidence and the weaknesses caused to the evidential system by its use in historical cases?

      Perhaps, before you voice such opinion, it may be better to first speak to practising lawyers. You may learn a great deal more from that than from your work for your masters degree. You are of course entitled to your opinion, but even the Bar Council now believes the time for a Statute of Limitations has come. Finally, the comment “Lastly, the idea of someone returning to British soil having allowed such a period to elapse is disgusting” is hardly what one would expect to hear from an objective, unbiased lawyer. – Editor

    • A Hope
      January 17, 2017 at 10:28 am

      Really, and you’re doing a law degree??!!!! It is the only type of crime where police and cps don’t need evidence and when dates are actually stressed by the “victim” and the wrongly accused defendant can prove that these accusations could never of happened on these dates the judge asks the jury to disregard dates because the alleged “abuse” happened 12 years or so ago and memories fade. This taking any kind of defence away from the accused, basically comes down to accusers word against defendant and like the above article suggests the jury are so scared of letting a guilty man go it is easier to find everyone guilty!!!

    • Terry
      February 5, 2017 at 8:55 am

      Joshua K,
      Your comment seems to Miss the point.
      “Evidence ” from 20 years ago and more must at best be dubious if not downright wrong.
      The point that the accused has to prove his innocence goes against any principle of law.
      Finally it earns significant fees for the legal profession!

  4. Ena March
    July 7, 2016 at 4:12 pm

    I had to be in court once watching my husband’s ex-wife of 6 years coming back for more after 20 years of being divorced to him. This time she was after his father’s inheritance, and she had got it. British justice is a joke at the best of times. At the worst of times, it is horrible. Stop financial compensation for those alleged sex offences, and they will stop coming by thousands with their ridiculous claims that someone touched them 40 years ago. It has got nothing to do with “justice”. It is all about money.

  5. Rachel Todd
    April 27, 2016 at 8:19 pm

    The reason that the number of cases brought has increased is because the Jimmy Saville case made people realise it wasn’t too late. I was abused at school in the 80s and thought it was too late until Jimmy Saville. My abuser has had a life and even though the police have found evidence to prove my case the abuser now claims to have dementia and will never be punished. Not all people who are now coming forward are liars and people shouldn’t get away with it!

    • stop it now
      June 15, 2016 at 4:02 pm

      rubbish it’s all about money the lady who blew the whistle on Jimmy saville when over 700 people came forward said I know the real total is zbout 10% of that everyone is sick of hearing about it every fantasist and attention seeking liar are doing it for money, and I’m female

      Do what Germany did stop compensation and watch the numbers fall to nothing these women are making a joke out of the real victims out there.

      All the oh I had flash backs and started to remember I surpressed it rubbish if you had been abused as a child that would be something you never forget ever.

      If you don’t think these people are out there look on twitter a man for a joke put on twitter said wet your trousers and put a picture on line to show support for abuse victims. Over one million people degraded theirselves and did it and that was just the UK, not for support just for attention and to be popular.

      Go on to the lawpages and look at cases there are hudreds of these cases being stopped or the prosecution having no caseand being thrown out, because the CPS and police are not investigating properly and saying oh the victim said it happened.

      Read the cases for eg of the man accused of child sex abuse had never met the child and lived the other side of the country. The girl had seen his photo online on facebook and just accused him he worked away and was living abroad during the time he was supposed to have done it.

      If the police had of investigated instead of just believing her he would still have his job and nice life he lost everything his home savings everthing. Nothing happened to the girl she just got on with her life prob plotting for her next victim.

      Do the research 10% of men convicted of these crimes are innocent who are in jail this is why a lot of these convictions are now being overturned the people who accuse don’t go to jail change the law they shouldthey are criminals not victims

      • assault is...
        December 31, 2016 at 1:58 am

        So everyone who comes forward to talk about abuse they suffered as a child is a lier in your eyes is that it? They are just after money? Because I was molested at a very young age 4/5 years old I remember the same day my sister 2 years older then myself was molested by the same scumbag! I repressed that memory until something happened that unleashed that horrific memory. I wish to god I had never remembered I was 14 when I remembered every last detail of what that piece of scum did to me. The only reason I didn’t go to the police myself is because his family are a bunch of lunatics most of which have been locked dup for GBH AGBH or Murder and I was terrified of what they would do if I did. Not every survivor of child assault is a lier and it makes me sick seeing people like you trying to excuse a paedophile because he was famous!

  6. David thomson
    September 30, 2015 at 6:06 pm

    In 1986 when I was 15’I had a accusation made against me from the neighbours l fink he was 11 at the time. There were quite a dis functional family. As he was always causing trouble with the other neighbours he made a a sex allegation against me and the police came to my house and took me to police station for questioning. Even though I denied it even sayin can I have a lie detector or check any Dna they said it wasn’t no need. And was told if I kept denying it it would probably mean court. Frightened the life out of me so so I said I did it like a fool. Worst time of my life and has never me. I’m 44 now I’ve brought up 3 children of my own and worked in the care profession. Never ever been in any other trouble. Hangs over me still like a dark shadow. But don’t talk about it

    • faolan
      October 8, 2015 at 3:27 am

      If you were only 15 you should have had an appropriate adult with you, as well as a solicitor, the police definitely breached procedure if you did not. They also breached procedure if they did not look for DNA or other proof. I would have thought, that if they had done their job , you would have been sent to a YOI, or “punished”, and would be prohibited from working in the caring profession, they obviously did not keep your case on record. You see, with a confession you would have been charged and up before a magistrate the next day, so it would still have gone to court.

  7. Jen
    July 22, 2015 at 9:49 am

    My family are going through hell. My children’s dad has been accused and charged with 5 incidences dating back to 40 years ago when he was 13-14yrs old. The woman who accused him was shouted by him for wacking her kid across the head against a garage, a couple years later she’s accusing him of sexual stuff from when they were kids. It’s hard as he has been a dad longer than the 20 yrs I’ve known him and I have 6 kids with him, 3 of which have disabilities. He has always been protective of them, not once hurting them. I’m now facing the prospect of coping on my own with my own disabilities and the children and their problems. It’s scary. Even more scary is the judgement of the public. He didn’t commit these offences but no doubt she wants the compensation. How can people be charged with absolutely no evidence? We all know the jury always takes the so called victims side so what hope do I have? Every day I have anxiety attacks because of this. Just wish there was some way I could help him ????

    • faolan
      August 2, 2015 at 6:42 pm

      I have “reasonable doubt” about his guilt already, but as you say, it all boils down to whom the jury believe. No one else has come forward, there is no evidence of him sexually assaulting anyone, either Before or Since, so, according to his accuser, this was a one off by a child. Sexual predators do not commit “one offs”, does he have any old diaries? Or anything to show he maybe wasn’t there, until you get a copy of her “disclosure” there isn’t much you can do, but liars have to have excellent memories, it is bound to be full of discrepancies, and contradictions. I would be surprised if the CPS waste taxpayers money when it’s just one person against one.

  8. Sailing
    May 30, 2015 at 4:51 pm

    Sexual acts are not realy what it’s about! There are No Statutes of limitations on the Criminal act! To sexualy assault a person is a criminal act! to then hide, coverup or that is fraud! also Criminal! to then goto court with a wall of criminality behind you in a hope of getting away with what they have done, is yet another crime! should the court follow the movements of those who would commit such crimes including sexual abuse rape, any any other type! then the court is also commiting crimes!

    • faolan
      June 3, 2015 at 12:40 am

      Perjury is a crime, false witness is a crime, so is jailing the innocent. It is also criminal for the police to doctor statements, and cherry pick interview tapes, but they do, they did it to us. Also criminal to search without a warrant, the warrant was given to us over a week later.

    • P clark
      November 14, 2015 at 8:11 pm

      What do False accusations and wrongful convictions for HSA do for the turkey abused. Absolutely nothing, what they do is create even MORE CHILD ABUSE. THE LAW IS is there to protect society nor destroy it

  9. Agrola..
    May 4, 2015 at 8:37 pm

    Frankly I find this article a little ridiculous in light of the Jimmy Saville scandal and subsequent high profile celebrity convictions. Some men love to play the victim card, and a lot I spot on this website but the fact is this law is here and in light of everything that’s happened since 2013 there is no way the UK government is gonna get rid of it.

    • faolan
      May 14, 2015 at 12:50 am

      And even less chance of being able to apply to be removed from the SOR if they abolish the article of Human Rights. For those of us who were/are innocent, then yes, we could be called “victims”, personally I prefer not to.

    • Brian Kearney
      July 21, 2015 at 1:48 am

      You quote jimmy Saville. That is a prime example of what this subject is about. What evidence is there from the 133 complainers is there other than word of mouth. The answer is, NONE. Four million pounds has been set aside for these so called victims who will each receive: £30,000 each. Got the message?

    • change-is-needed
      September 10, 2015 at 11:02 am

      Agrola – You may find it a little ridiculous, but if a member of your family or friends are accused, how will you feel then? Or can’t this ever happen to you? The naivety of your comments are shocking! Jimmy Saville DOES NOT represent men, and he got away with the crimes alleged because of poor police work. That wouldn’t happen now, so a statue of limitations is needed, it would encourage real victims to come forward earlier, and in doing so that could help stop further abuse to more victims! I have also been accused of a sex crime against a male child. The police said the accusations were specific and detailed. The allegations have met resistance, categoric resistance in some of the accusations, such as a medical report that proves he wasn’t raped. Yet still, because of the cynical nature of a police investigation, that is only motivated by convictions, due to pressure from the CPS(thanks Alison Saunders!), I have now been on police bail for 21 months! Yes, you read that correctly, 21 months…and still no end in sight! By the way, I haven’t been charged with any crime, but I have been treated like a convicted paedophile upon release from prison from the day I was arrested in December 2013. This has led to my umemployment, my unemployable status, loss of pension, company shares(would have been a six figure sum tax free on retirement) and I have completely exhausted my savings. Bankruptcy is more than likely. Just to clarify, all of this has happened to me because of the noise from a face…and nothing more than that! In fact, less than that now as ALL his claims have proven to be false! Innocent until proven otherwise is a nonsense, and should be changed to no prison(in most cases until proven guilty). Even in the eyes of the law I am innocent, yet all these pre-charge bail sanctions means your life is destroyed even before charge! Something needs to change!

    • P clark
      November 14, 2015 at 8:14 pm

      There is no corroborative evidence to convict Jimmy Saville. They are stories not facts. His millions have now gone to lawyers instead of help the heroes. We want facts not stories and the dead cannot get a fair trial!!!

  10. faolan
    March 23, 2015 at 4:46 pm

    Here we go again, DJ Neil Fox is facing an allegation or few about sexual assaults etc of an historic nature, and this evil is perpetuated whilst intelligent people and politicians do nothing. Of course, it may help these celebs to be able to pay for a decent defence barrister, not always perhaps, but if you’re reliant on legal aid, as we were, no chance. I despair, I really do.

  11. angie
    March 19, 2015 at 7:33 pm

    its not only women who come forward with these accusations My 61 year old brother was arrested and is under investigastion after 4 of our nephews all from the same family came forward after 21years to claim he had assualted/raped them as kids. It strange how this has come about because 5 weeks before he was arrested 2 of them were calling him the best uncle in the world as he helped them out 1 of them had a hugh fall out with my brother 3 years ago and the last one was last seen at a family christing in september talking to my brother and cracking jokes and now it seems a lad not connected with the family has deceide to jump on the band wagon to try and claim some money, he claims my brother assualted him last year. The detective in charge of the case is thinking this as well as she asked my brother why did he think this other lad was doing it my brother told her he thinks he can get money and she said Iv being thinking that myself as for the four brothers they are after revenge because my brother reported the eldest brother for non payment of bills My brother and mum was sick of bayliffs turning up on the front door looking for money so after the fall out my brother told the appropiate people where they could find them. Its the strangest case Iv ever heared off that the accusers claim they couldnt talk about there so called ordeals yet when my brother moved house and moved to wales two of the brother followed him and one even asked could they move in with there family and let him baby sit the youngest child while they would go out drinking I look at it this way would you move in with your abuser then ask him to baby sit for you? I dont think so!when are the police going to open there eyes and see this is a set up or are they just hell bent on putting innocent people behind bars!!

    • faolan
      March 21, 2015 at 11:43 pm

      Angie, one of our accusers had asked us to foster her kids when her marriage was on the rocks, we couldn’t prove it, and she denied it in court. One of the security guards told me she believed it, and had she been on that jury she would have wanted us acquitted because it raised such serious doubt as to our guilt. I feel so sorry for people like your brother, its a terrible ordeal.

  12. faolan
    March 14, 2015 at 10:41 am

    Every day, it seems, yet another celeb, or person in ths public eye, is accused of historic sexual abuse/assault, and this has been ongoing since operation yewtree. So are we to believe, All men are sexual predators?. Take the recent “Gary Glitter” case, when it was in the news he’d abused abroad, why didn’t the women responsible for his most recent conviction come forward then?. I don’t know if he was guilty or not, but it seems very odd that these women didn’t say anything when he was in the news back then. So here we are with yet another celeb accused, maybe they are seen as a cash cow by some. I cannot believe this is being allowed to continue, that someone in the government has not said Enough is Enough!. It is high time the public stopped clutching their pearls, and asked themselves why so many accused? Why so many in court? And why is this being allowed to drag on?.

  13. Wendy
    March 14, 2015 at 7:55 am

    Britain is not unique in this respect. In Ireland there is no limitation period on any indictable offence.

  14. Michael
    February 28, 2015 at 11:21 am

    I was arrested 22 months ago on a historical rape charge that was supposed to have happened 40 years ago. The accuser never “told anyone ” until she had a mental breakdown and tried to commit suicide in 2004. She then was institutionalised for ten years and then after treatment for depression, schizophrenia , she goes to the police and I am charged with no evidence whatsoever. I had a consensual affair with her for two years in 1976.The trial comes up next week. I am 76 years old. I have never done a thing wrong in my life. My wife has a terminal illness. The police are so zealous and biased. All they want to do is convict. The defence will cost me well over £100,000. She doesn’t have to be named, is behind a screen and even if I win I dont get a penny because I earn over £35k. British justice?…what a farce.Its archaic and should be taken to the court of human rights.

    • faolan
      March 3, 2015 at 2:17 pm

      I am bound to wonder if False Memory Syndrome could be at the bottom of this, where psychologists or counsellors tell their patient “you are mentally ill because you were abused/raped, but you cannot remember, let me help you to “remember”. Ask your legal team to look into her treatment.

  15. Caroline
    January 26, 2015 at 2:07 pm

    My elderly father who has heart problems,partial vision and dementia was dragged from his bed just 5 weeks after my mother had died collapsed into hospital bath and the CID refused to help him get up,while he was standing in his underwear with my daughter trying to dress him the CID read out disgusting historical sex offences all of which were lies.The accusers were on my mothers side of the family.My father was treated like dirt by the family police he was put in a urine soaked cell on his socks and given a thin,filthy blanket.They wouldn’t let him sleep and he was kept locked up from 7:30am on Saturday until 8:05pm on Monday.His accusers committed these crimes for compensation and to get the daughter out of prison where she is for a sadistic and brutal murder.My poor father is up at Glasgow High Court right now to receive a date for trial.We are a law abiding decent family ostensibly there anyone out there who can help us.MY FATHER IS INNOCENT-PLEASE PLEASE HELP.WE HAVEN’T GOT MUCH TIME-THANK YOU

  16. William
    January 26, 2015 at 10:47 am

    Hello and could you please give me a good source about the corroboration of the following. “Some years ago, the German government abolished payouts for sex abuse cases except where there was corroborated evidence. The result was a drop of over 80% in the number of complaints from would be ‘victims’”. I am doing an article which I wish to release – it is time to stop this sexual discrimination against men; like

    I was found guilty, along with thousands of other men, because of the newly resurrected 1580 witchcraft law (sex offender’s law)
    Yes? For our established ancient common law was cancelled by the Criminal Justice and Public order Act 1994, section 32 and 33, which abrogated the need for a trial judge to warn a jury of acting upon the uncorroborated evidence of an alleged “victim” of sexual assault (a law which was previously designed to destroy “witches”)
    This newly introduced law, copied form our ancient times, states that any female of any age, can, by the simple words from her own mouth and without any corroborating proof, convict a man of witchcraft (sexual assault) by making – as in the 1580 witchcraft trials – an unsupported statement that this curse was performed against her. Our Public Servants of Justice also make it clear that this curse (sexual assault) could have been inflicted at any time during the female accusers life time – because no evidence is require to prove that her words are true.
    Also the Public servants of justice are supporting a system were Witch-Hunters (lawyers) can say to any female of any age – tell us the name of a man who you say sexually assaulted you at any time in your life and we will obtain for you £10,000 to £50,000 compensation and we will do this on a no win no fee basis – Why? Because the Justice system, which supports the accusing lady, will convict 95% the accused witches (accused men) and the lawyers will receive three time the compensation awarded to the accuser for this act of witchcraft (sexual assault) – – and I have factual corroborating proof of all the above happening and also of the support that the Public servants of the justice system are giving to this amoral law.

    • TheOpinionSite
      January 26, 2015 at 3:37 pm

      Please visit

      The German government will pay compensation but only to cover:

      • Medical expenses
      • Psychological care
      • Vocational rehabilitation
      • Pensions for disabled victims if the victim’s earning capacity is reduced
      • Benefits for dependents of homicide victims
      • Physical therapy
      • Funeral expenses
      • Lost support for dependents
      • Services to replace work in the home previously performed by the victim

      Compensation is not paid in sex abuse cases, apart from the above. Furthermore, proof of expenditure is required or alternatively, the payment will be made direct to, for example, a medical practitioner. Any claim for personal damages must be made against the individual or institution, not the state. Holidays and new cars are not included!

      There is also a statute of limitations in Germany with regard to sexual offences. This ranges from 3-30 years after the alleged victim’s 21st birthday, depending on the charges.

      For further details, please contact the German embassy.

    • Camila
      February 17, 2015 at 5:14 pm


      I am also interested on writing an article on the topic. Could you let me know what your source is for your statistic: “where alleged child victims are concerned, juries convict in 95% of all cases”?

      Your help would be much appreciated.

      • Heretoday
        October 23, 2017 at 9:51 pm

        Cloud Cuckoo Land. I was told by my barrister that juries tend towards not guilty verdicts in historic child sex cases. I Got a not guilty.

    • JENNIE
      September 8, 2015 at 12:41 pm

      Hi there,
      I’m a law student currently doing my dissertation. the title is :
      should the UK adopt a statute of limitations with regards to historical sexual offence as opposed to bringing such cases to light under the public interest test?
      My key focus is the treatment of the accused and the possibility that the CPS are merely looking to get an easy conviction by starting a modern day witch hunt. Other parts of my paper will look at the possibility of these alleged victims coming forward so may years later to jump on the band wagon of the UK’s growing compensation culture.
      After reading your entry I was hoping that i could communicate with you via email out of this medium to possibly interview you in order to support my argument?

      • james
        January 24, 2016 at 9:51 pm

        You can communicate with me if you wish both my father a and uncle were accused for historical rape allegations by there cousin 46 years ago and now serving a lengthy sentance. the accusers are now celebrating a new wedding and new house.

      • Eunice
        February 18, 2016 at 4:24 am

        as a ‘victim’, I can tell you that most don’t come forward because we STILL have a precedence of NOT prosecuting or convicting Rapists and sexual offenders. ‘Victims’ (SURVIVORS) are often made to feel ashamed of having ‘allowed’ themselves to be raped. The perpetrators are hardly ever seen as that, especially if they are seen as respectable. a friend of my sons’ ‘raped’…violated me, when someone had drugged a glass of wine I had. He admitted it to 2 Policewomen but they didn’t prosecute hime, even though there is also a witness to the state I was in, and there’s also the fact he got me pregnant. He’d done this twice before, to 2 ex girlfriends of his, then got custody of his young daughter (by the first), claiming her Grandfather was a paedophile! sick? absolutely. oh, and by the way, he’s seen as a good christian! I didn’t take it to court because my abusive family sided with him; his family would have sided with him. this happened 19 years ago, but it’s only recently that I’ve been thinking about seeing if I can bring him to justice
        (my abusive family members are now dead, and I’m finally feeling better supported, and stronger)
        Around 33 years ago, when I was also unsupported by the ‘christian’ church we attended, my now ex-husband beat my son who was only about 13. He’d been reprimanded…given a final warning…for physical abuse of another lad, where he worked…trying to bribe the lads mother with a box of groceries, at our familys expense (and believe me, he wasn’t bringing home enough money for us to absorb that!) He went on to work for Headway, and is now working at a college! My son feels he deserved the beating! well, he didn’t! but when you get no support, it’s really hard to find the strength to fight these bullies, especially when policeMEN still won’t accept laws on Stalking, abuse, threats, rape, assault. I can’t help but believe it’s because they’re abusive, rapists, Stalkers, etc., themselves?

  17. brian
    January 9, 2015 at 2:35 pm

    I have always thought that cases of historical sex abuse would be impossible to defend. I now find myself in this position. one of my nieces has just accused me, her original statement said that it happened in 1973,when i proved that I was living abroad in 1973, this changed to 1974.She has been living on benifets for many years now and has recently had mental problems, I could not think why she would be doing this after 41 years, but having read this article, I now think she is after the compensation. I am now having sleepless nights trying to think how can I proove that something did not happen 41 years ago. she has already destroyed all relationships with my whole family

    • faolan
      January 23, 2015 at 1:17 am

      My heart goes out to you, here in the UK, it is becoming more like the USA, we have to prove we are innocent, instead of the cps proving we are guilty. If your niece is the sole complainant, I don’t see how this would constitute a case, as it is word against word.

      • TomC
        February 18, 2015 at 11:06 pm


        You are misinformed in saying that in the US the defendant (the accused) has to prove he or she is innocent or else he is proven guilty.

        In the US the accused is presumed innocent until proven guilty. In a case such as Brian’s where it is her word against his with no evidence, he would be declared innocent.

        • TomC
          February 18, 2015 at 11:29 pm

          I forgot to say that in the US the accused must be proven guilty “beyond a reasonable doubt”. This means if even one person on a 12 person juries of his peers (meaning equals, fellow citizens) thinks there is a reasonable doubt accused must be found not guilty.

          Being presumed innocent unless proven guilty and being proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt by every member of a jury of the accused’s fellow citizens are cornerstones of American trial law.

          • faolan
            March 4, 2015 at 3:30 pm

            I think this applies here, but in our case the jury were sent out several times, they even wrote a more to the judge saying they didn’t think they would be able to decide, this was ignored, and the jury were simply sent out again, and again and again, until they finally reached a verdict.

  18. Barry Gowland
    January 6, 2015 at 1:10 pm

    Something I recall about the M25 rapist. His first victim was a girl of 10, who he dragged into some bushes, partly stripped, and then raped—even mocking her that she’d had affairs with boys at school, something she denied outright. When he finished he ran off leaving her half-naked. She then made her way to a house not far away where she asked the couple living there if they could help her as she’d just been raped. Stunned as they were, the couple did just that, even calling the police. No doubt the fresh DNA sample, plus her own account made soon afterwards, helped nail this offender.
    Though the mere passage of time does not render a crime any less a crime, it can make it difficult, even impossible, to gather evidence for or against the alleged offender. This is an inescapable fact that even the most fanatical feminists will have to swallow, whether they like it or not.

  19. Julia
    January 1, 2015 at 7:38 am

    As a victim of rape, at the hands of a police officer, just turned 15, which was never reported due to the clever psychological grooming of myself and my parents, I have some issues with many of the comments in the article above. The incident occurred 42 years ago. I was too young to fight it, too ashamed, blamed myself and generally not mentally capable of dealing with it. The incident was parcelled up and put away in my sub-councious, occasionally unravelling over the years.
    Therein lies the problem with any proposed limitation on bringing cases to court. So many people are made to feel ‘unworthy, deserving of nothing better, inadequate, and it takes time for people to recover enough from this before they can firstly, face up to what happened to them and secondly make a judgement about whether they want justice or even revenge. Should victims be denied justice, when the abuse happens at such a vulnerable ago? What if it were your child.
    My fear is that there are so many cases of rape, that are still never reported. How do we stop this if we begin to set limitations? Sexual abuse is rife, women and young girls make up the majority of victims though not all. In my view we should be doing more to protect women, but more importantly children from sexual predators, there can be no excuse. Even a ‘one off’ crime, the moment of weakness should not go unpunished.

    • Jenny
      January 1, 2015 at 9:52 am

      Strange how women in every other EU country and even the US seem to ‘survive’, even with a statute of limitations in place; not to mention the need for real evidence, rather than the word of someone who believes they remember everything from half a century ago.

      You ask ‘What if it were your child?’ Well, what if it were your child who, as an adult years later, is falsely accused and imprisoned for 14 years solely on the word of someone like you? At least you are honest enough to talk about ‘revenge’, rather than only justice.

      The real problem in this country is that everyone has signed up to perception rather than reality. Bad things happen to everyone in their lives. Most people naturally get over them and move on but, today, everyone is told they are a ‘victim’, even if they themselves want to get on with their future rather than dwell on an unpleasant past.

      There is no justice for anyone when the authorities and charities perpetuate the victim culture; emotion takes over and all reality is lost for ever.

    • Anon Ymous
      January 7, 2015 at 3:24 am

      Personally I think it’s sickening that anyone would consider locking up a person with violent people for decades for a small event that could have taken place in even less than one minute & caused no physical injury such as touching someones privates. I think if a person touches someone else they deserve nothing more than to be touched by someone else not to have all of their basic human rights revoked and spent a decade being tortured in prison with violent people. After that kind of treatment anyone comes out far worse than when they went in. Also, you don’t incarcerate a dog for sniffing another dogs arse or an animal for trying to have it’s way with another animal. We still have primal functions deeply built into our behavior that can make it difficult to control our urges. This wouldn’t be a problem if we weren’t severely sexually repressed constantly from a young age. That’s what causes people to lash out & do horrible things but I believe the majority of punishments for sexual offense cases aren’t nearly as bad as what happened to the victim. On top of that’s the fact that many victims of child abuse actually enjoy it yet may well take it to court later in life for a hefty payout or entirely make up the whole thing for a payday while the alleged offender ends up being the victim of crimes likely far more unthinkable than what they were even accused of in court.

      • Anon Ymous
        January 7, 2015 at 3:28 am

        I meant to say I believe the majority of punishments for sexual offense cases are far worse than what happened to the victim.

      • jordan
        January 17, 2015 at 1:39 am

        You said you belive the punishment is far worse than what happens to the victim and I disagree I myself let my attacker get away with it purely because I could talk for two years after and im only 19 and I still let him get away with it he lives his life without a second thought whilst I have to take medication to deal with the panick attacks and the fear of knowing that it could happen again so really you have no clue when it comes to crime and punishment because as it stands I’m the only one being punished for doing absolutely nothing wrong.

        • megaman
          September 15, 2015 at 8:18 pm

          What i think Anon meant is that just because an act is sexual does not always mean that it is somehow extreme.

          A person could be gently slapped in the face but someone who is a little bit annoyed. This would be an offence but only a minor case of battery.
          A person could also be smashed in the face with a sledgehammer. This would also be a physical strike but the offence would be much more serious.

          The point is
          I dont believe Anon was saying that sexual “assault” cannot be serious. He was merely saying that sexual assault are not always serious yet the law treats any sexual assault, no matter how trivial, as if it has the maximum level of severity simply because it was “sexual”

      • faolan
        February 7, 2015 at 11:42 pm

        “many victims of child abuse enjoy it”, what planet are you on!, How can an innocent child understand, let alone “enjoy” what is being done to him or her?,

        • megaman
          September 15, 2015 at 8:13 pm

          an “innocent child” as you put it would understand if he enjoys it or if he dislikes it in the same way that he would understand if or not he enjoys a cuddle.

          The only difference is that he may not know what sexual activity is therefore to him touching his genitalia is no different to touching his arm.

    • nurse
      December 2, 2015 at 6:30 pm

      I am also the victim of child rape, there was a weapon invloved and like you i put it away in my subconscious for 44 years until the day when it managed to sneak out when i least expected it. Currently having counselling to try and deal with this as everyday i face possiblity of facing the perpetrators and each time i relive that nightmare.
      i was 10 years old and it involved three complete strangers, as i grew up i never forgot thier faces and it is all stil very fresh in my mind. I am being steared towards prosecution but now i am being told that because there is no witness, no dna and no evidence that this would be pointless. though my supporting councellor feels i will only get closure until they are captured and prosecuted. they are all still alive and local to me and i face bumping into them and have on a regular basis.
      i worry that i am not protected by the law and that this could effect my lovely family who have been very supportive and understanding.
      how do i ever get closure if these animals are never brought to justice? unless of course they are on the sex offenders register then that makes it ok???
      i never reported it and would not tell anyone about it but as i am getting older it is still difficult to talk about let alone plead my innocence as a child of ten to a room full of people.
      I am in the driving seat and have choices and one of them choices is to get closure and peace of mind.
      if the law does propose statute of limitations how can all the people including myself ever get closure and move on from the terrible events?
      i dispair!!

      • AscendedHologram
        April 26, 2018 at 8:50 pm

        @nurse “if the law does propose statute of limitations how can all the people including myself ever get closure and move on from the terrible events?”

        Easy! Just don’t wait a literal half-century to report crimes committed against you! It’s really THAT simple.

        However, because you chose not to pursue justice for the crimes committed against you — for basically the entirety of your life until presumably the week before you wrote this post — you lost that chance. You just HAVE to come to terms with it.

        That’s not to say that it won’t be supremely painful — I can only imagine that the pain of the knowledge that your attackers have all successfully eluded justice is only exacerbated by the fact that they were only able to do so because *you* failed to seek justice for said crimes — but it really is all you can do at this point.

        To attempt to prosecute someone like that — after a literal half-century — would actually be a worse miscarriage of justice than what happened with you.

    • Mjolinir
      January 11, 2016 at 8:44 pm

      Sorry to hear about your ordeal, but most rape victims are men in prisons and other such institutions. Sex abuse by men is at its lowest rate known. Outside of prison, men and boys are still the larger number of victims, mainly of women. Modern research ignoring feminist approach shows that women rape men more than the reverse. The one thing we MUST do as a society is stop making sex crimes out to be something that men do to women and children. It is not. This gendered approach is helping perpetuate generational cycles of crime.

      I’ve been sexually abused, assaulted and raped by women many times. I am not allowed ANY justice because I am male. Male under-reporting is colossal. Yes, some women do indeed never report rape. Sadly, most claims made by women are known to be false. Again, this is a product of making gender issues of social issues.

  20. dot
    December 1, 2014 at 2:43 am

    What’s all this about historic cases being easy to prove? If recent cases even with DNA, fresh witness statements etc are so difficult to convict then why are cases with less convincing or definite evidence resulting in false convictions?
    Perhaps if this is happening we need to question the system under which convictions are assessed and made, not the choice of a victim to make their accusation.
    Unfortunately there will always be bad people who jump on the bandwagon to make money, but there are also abusers who go unpunished, with victims feeling the effects of trauma years later.
    For me it wouldn’t be about revenge and I will not be told that I should just move on. Why is my experience invalidated? To conveniently appease those who find it distasteful or cannot comprehend the effects of abuse. If my abuser broke the law, why should he go unpunished? -because he’s older, because he’s remarried, because he’s settled… There’s no justifiable reason to ignore the offense committed.
    I feel for those wrongly accused and am angered by false accusations, they are criminal. I do not see why the accused does not see the same anonymity afforded to the victim when they are “innocent until proven guilty”.
    It took me years to be able to verbalise my experience. I suffered the trauma from soon after, internalized and got on with life. It seeped out as depression and when I was able to report to the police I was so messed up and unable to speak coherently about the lengthy abuse that the cps rejected the case. It hurt, but I could have been anyone. So they made the right decision, looking at the broader picture.
    An interesting question is why do we imprison criminals? They’re a danger to society? They broke the rules? A warning not to break the rules? Revenge?
    If we we say that because you’re 70 and committed a crime when you were 50 but it’s a long time ago and you’re getting on so maybe just leave it, is it saying that the crime didn’t matter or doesn’t matter anymore.

    • faolan
      December 6, 2014 at 12:28 pm

      Nobody is suggesting this, but there should be a time limit, and no compensation, I am sure, in your case, you simply wanted justice, and rightly so but many want money, and will fabricate lies to get it. DNA?, after decades, there is No forensic evidence, its purely word against word. A high court judge actually said “no evidence is necessary” in these cases. Do you believe innocent people should go to jail?, what is more scary, are those calling for a return to the death penalty for those convicted. No Evidence Necessary,

  21. Max
    October 23, 2014 at 11:40 am

    Sounds to me as though, like all men hating feminists, you just don’t like it when someone reveals you and your manipulation for what they really are. Incidentally, I’m sure that research was carried out or the article would not have been published. And if you want evidence that your view is wrong, just take a look at all the failed historic abuse cases that have been in the news lately, including two just this week. Both failed as the passage of time had caused the so-called ‘victims’ to get their stories mixed up. As any psychiatrist will tell you, what the mind cannot remember, it makes up. Why don’t you do some research, instead of preaching feminist hatred against men?

  22. dave lee
    August 27, 2014 at 3:30 pm

    the only people coming forward about historic cases of sexual abuse is people who are after financial gain the law should be changed to say if you want to bring a case to court it has to be for your own justice and your own cost and you will not be able to claim any compensation then we will see how many come forward. since the case of jimmy saville and quite a few other celebs my friend was accused by a woman of abuse 38 years ago. now this particular woman was very sexually active in our area and had many relationships with different men she even said her step father was abusing her. well the only person she accused was my friend and thats because over the past 38 years he has worked and accumilated a lot of wealth why did she not accuse all the other blokes its because they have nowt. my friend was jailed 6 months ago for 15 years he is 70 years old the girl involved got £27,000 off the goverment and if my friends appeal gets threw out she will be able to claim more money off him. she is out in town most nights getting drunk bragging how she got this man 15 years jail. if anyone came to our town and asked anyone about him they would only have good comments to make he has helped many people who were not as well off as him and never bragged about it this is a massive mis carriage of justice to date it has cost him financially £250,ooo in legal costs she has had everything free and not been named wheres the justice personally i think my friend has given up in jail and it wont be long till he is free but it will be in a wooden box

    • faolan
      November 21, 2014 at 10:49 pm

      Ten years ago, my late husband and I were falsely accused of historic abuse and were found guilty simply on the word of our accusers. One admitted to her sister it was being done to get “compo”, but we couldn’t prove it. My late husband was given 9 yrs, I was given 3 yrs, and the paparazzi had a feeding frenzy. Our appeal failed, even though the Courts of Justice judges said they knew for a fact, One of our accusers had Definitely lied. My husband was diagnosed with Cancer mere months after his release, and died 18 months later. I have been diagnosed with PTSD and Fybromyalgia. The alleged “victims” were paid approx 9 grand each, the police had promised them 30 grand. Yes, there should be a statute of limitation, and a jail sentence for those who perjure, they should get the same sentence the falsely accused gets. Those who are genuinely abused may pluck up courage to come forward much sooner if this were in place.

    • Billy
      October 8, 2015 at 12:54 am

      The only people coming forward are for financial gain, you need to wake up to reality pal, nuff sex monsters out there should be beside your pal , that manipulate and abuse kids and been continuing to abuse kids for decades, it takes guts for someone to go forward after years of torment, you obviously keen on your pal who’s is in prison for how long, 15 years, get real you nut job, he’s guilty as sin and he put the person through hell, then through a trial, which cost a fortune and a lot of work went into getting the right justice via the best courts in the world, you my friend need a reality check, I can’t wait to see lots more go down coz there are plenty needing their doors kicked of the hinges for the damage they thought they have gotten away with, I hope your pal rots in prison and you, your just as bad for favouring him, he is a beast , he abused someone, stole their life, he should ROT

  23. Dawn Morgan
    August 27, 2014 at 2:50 pm

    There certainly should be a limitation !!
    My partner was arrested nearly a year ago and currently on Bail for an Historic sex offence in 1988 and we have had a year of pure hell.
    I cannot begin to put into words how this false allegation has destroyed our lives. The way the “system” has acted is totally unacceptable and our hearts go out to all the innocent men and women who are going through the same living nightmare.
    How can there be “sufficient evidence” for such a long time ago.. if my partner is to be charged, how can we prove his innocence.

    We all have a responsibility as a human being, that if such an offence is commmitted we should come forward within a sensible time frame… If not, then thats tough!

  24. Ms Byte
    August 22, 2014 at 12:47 am

    Of course there shouldn’t be a statue of limitations on child abuse. It’s a life-sentence for the victims why should their abusers (who are usually very prolific) go scott free?

    There are many cases where victims have gone to the police years later but nothing has come of it because for lack of evidence or simply because they are not believed so many cases don’t even get to court. There is a possibility thought that in the future other victims won’t come forward (case in point Jimmy Saville)so prosecution may become possible at a later date.

    Rather than a statute of limitations on sexual offenses false accusations of rape be against the law and carry a prison to act as a deterrent.

    August 16, 2014 at 11:14 am

    It is unjust that a person can be vilified for an alleged offence even when he is dead; for example Jimmie Savile. It is easy for people to jump on the bandwagon. There should be a time limit on cases of historic sex abuse

  26. Sheila
    August 14, 2014 at 7:24 pm

    My personal feeling about the “historic” cases of sex abuse is that there appears to be some kind of “ambulance chasing” going on particularly against one particular TV company by the legal profession. So many people who have worked for them seem to have been accused that I foresee a massive class action suit against that TV company once they have exhausted a list that they obviously have of possible people to accuse. The one person who was found “Not Guilty” is now being hounded to face further accusations. Most people would find it impossible to mount a defence against something alleged to have happened 5 years ago and I cannot imagine what it must be like to be accused of something that is alleged to have happened 20 or more years ago.

  27. Will
    August 14, 2014 at 11:13 am

    What can us do|?
    You are absolutely correct – I was accused in the most ridiculous way and even the CPS refused all charges until I put in six complaints about the way I was treated when a 16 year old told all that I had chosen her to be “romantic” with. Then I was phoned to say that the case had been re-opened and ands my complaints could not be heard for it might effect a jury and so interviews were again taken of “Witnesses” and my of accuser 12 to 18 months after the so called incident.
    Two years later I went to court thinking that the Justice system would protect me since there was no evidence except the false words of my accuser and then the police told the court that they had “LOST” my DNA in a fridge accident – so no analysis was done even when I had inform them the my DNA would not be found in the places that I was supposed to have “touched”. I did not stand a chance – I stood there with egg on my face whilst the judge prepared the jury to bring a guilty verdict – for why else was I in court for I said I did not and she said I did—and the jury was informed to decide who was speaking the truth – there was no corroborating evidence as is needed in all other trials. I was convicted and sentenced to 7 years with my sentence increased by 50% because I maintained my innocence – and still do.
    It’s a witchcraft law where the pointing finger and an accusation is enough to get man convicted of “witchcraft” and now I am out of prison trying to find a lawyer who wants to expose this serious introduction into our legal system as politicians seek the female vote.
    We should bring it down and only proving that this witchcraft law is wrong can this be done – and now I am on license and the so called sex offenders list – am now being told that if I am in a room with several adults and a persons under 18 enters – say a 3 month old baby or a 17 years old male – I have to immediately make an excuse leave that room or I will be breaking my license and could return to prison and if I say that I wish to visit a friend a whole pack of the “authorities” descends upon them under the law of “disclosures” in which they and everyone associated with them are informed of me and the reason for my conviction – it’s the dame as the ancient inquisition for this “authorities” law is based upon the fact that they fear I will place a spell upon all those under 18 that I meet – even when surrounded by adults.
    We must stop this serious infringement upon Human Rights and I cannot understand why nothing is being done to correct these serious misdemeanors – anyone out there with the legal expertise to combat this “inquisition” based injustice

  28. Ivan Sanders
    July 2, 2014 at 4:17 pm

    There are many sound arguments for such, not least that many years after the alleged offence a defendant is in no position to properly defend himself. Such alleged crimes are usually tried with no third party evidence which in itself presents problems. Effluxion of time aggravates matters and makes the claimant’s case easier to ‘prove.’ I suspect that many claimants are simply looking for relatively easy money as the ‘compensation culture’ spirals out of control. Also, there is no way of establishing whether or not police have led a complainant with her / his statement. Most ludicrous of all is where parties are allowed to complain after the evidence of others has been publicly made known during a trial resulting in a prosecution. I respectfully suggest that there needs to be a strictly enforced six year put up or shut up limition. I cast no views on any particular person or trial and simply write in general terms. Ivan Sanders, Retired Solicitor / Non-practising

    June 12, 2014 at 1:53 pm

    Children than commt crimes sex in particular should NEVER be prosecuted when they turn adult, being a child is very different to an adult.

    Its scary to think a mans life could end for something he or she simply didn’t know the scale of what abuse was.

  30. Joseph
    June 11, 2014 at 6:26 am

    Politics (and above) and in turn the media have manipulated this inhuman state of affairs. Not in all Human History has such hysteria existed and entirely contradicts human instinct/ nature. Read ‘Eugenics’,

  31. Clive
    May 10, 2014 at 12:38 am

    Yes, Britain should have a Statute of Limitations on sex crimes. For all the reasons you gave Raymond Peytors.

  32. Anne
    February 13, 2014 at 3:29 am

    The author of this article is wrong on several accounts! Historical abuse cases rarely lead to convictions at all, infact most do not even see a court room. And to say that “nobody would wait 40 years to speak up about their abuse” shows a lack of understanding and is frankly misinformed. It shows that author has not done any research on the matter at all. Survivors of abuse do not speak up because they often feel shame, guilt and embarrassment about what happened to them and the thought of having to tell a whole bunch of strangers, (in detail that they have probably avoided thinking about for most of their life) about what happened, fills them with absolute dread. The strength needed to face these fears often comes latter in life, when survivors realise that they have nothing to be ashamed of. So no, there should be no limitations on sex crimes. Survivors should be allowed a whole life time to build the strength they need to face their abusers and abusers should never sleep easy, they should always worry that their actions could at any time have consequences. The current law should not be banished because of a few evil people who lie and accuse innocent people of doing heinous things.

    • Alan
      February 27, 2014 at 9:17 pm

      I am going to make a statement tomorrow to the police regarding being abused by a man in a position of trust which happened approx 40 years ago…..I am doing so because of the painful memories and feelings of guilt and shame and would like to point out to the despicable Raymond Peytors that the media have used recent historical cases ie. Jimmy Saville to raise awareness? sell papers? get veiwers? whatever the reason, the result is…….I can’t go a week now when I am not confronted with people discussing the cases or new cases, or being in a room with people when a new report is on the news….and each time all the feelings of guilt and shame, and all the wasted life i’ve led trying to cope with everything i’ve ever said and done has been tainted and affected by my abuse…..So for the record a crime was committed, I was not able to talk about it before now…but I am determined to see Justice done…..if you had your way i would have no redress….the tone of your article suggest you are a sympathiser of peodophiles! It is up to the courts to decide if a victim is telling the truth….if you heard me or anyone else who had been abused telling their story…you would be in no doubt that a crime was commited…..You offend me by saying ‘so called victims’ and suggesting that being on hard times is a reason for coming forward, the problem has been brought to the surface over the last few years and that has opened old wounds …it sickeens me that you feel after a certain time has past ie if you can get away with a crime long enough you dont have to face the punishment….. I hope you do not one day hear your son or daughter say I was abused as a child…..but if you did you would not be proud of the tone of your article.

      • Maxine
        June 14, 2014 at 8:04 pm

        This article is clearly difficult to read for some people, but nonetheless, the points raised are fair and valid. Just because you do not agree, does not make it less fair or valid. In order to make the judicial system as fair as possible, there is clearly a need to monitor cases, in this instance, unsavoury, regularly. There are many people out there who have a valid grievance, and there appears to be many more, who don’t. Deal with your problem as you see fit, but don’t take offence when someone speaks out for the other face of the victim – the ‘alleged’ defendant.

      • jo
        July 7, 2014 at 7:59 am

        hi Alan..i too think that the article is disgusting along with the sick adult who stole not just your childhood but also left you unable to enjoy living a happy adult life..believe me when i say i understand,i was seriously sexually abused/used by a family friend a ‘man’ in his 30’s when i was 11-14.This has had a negative effect on the whole of my adult life,all past relationships never lasting.I wanted to say that i think your very brave..i know how difficult it feels to live with this.Reading your post has given me courage and for a few years i have wanted to see my perpetrator brought to justice-i know i am not lying.I believe that the truth does mostly always come out.i have nightmares that my perpetrator who left my home town yrs ago has done this again.i prey i am wrong..Good luck Alan with everything you do..

    • Melanie Kyriacou
      August 10, 2014 at 5:54 am

      The thought of criminals getiing away with crime because time has past is inhuman is wrong.

      • Max
        August 10, 2014 at 10:33 am

        Read the article. It’s not about time, it’s about false evidence, unreliable memories and innocent people being convicted on the word of of vindictive women such as you. Yours is a typically feminist view; if someone disagrees with you, they must be wrong – especially if they are a man.

    • norrie
      September 18, 2014 at 4:38 pm

      there has to be forensic,dna or corroborating evidence.if it’s he says,she says,as it is with recent cases,it should never come to court.lie detector evidence is not allowed,but a jury of untrained people have to decide who is telling the truth.would you like to take that chance?in certain cases,hearsay evidence would be disregarded,in one recent case not only hearsay,but second hand hearsay was allowed.I don’t agree with jury trials anyway,but they certainly should not be used in historic cases.

  33. david demitros
    January 25, 2014 at 1:48 am

    well no statue of limitation for rape cause it affects life however there should be on the time of reporting it u should not be able to report it years after the rape but if the victim does report it within 10 years and goes on the run or isn’t found he should still be convicted years later

  34. Zoe O'Beast
    January 16, 2014 at 4:00 pm

    I’m quite sure that I was verbally abused by Jimmy Saville’s grandfather in 1941 and I want the sick bastard in prison where he belongs.

    • Raymond Peytors -
      January 16, 2014 at 4:13 pm

      Editors note:- Brilliant comment Zoe. The very valid point you make is of course one that terrifies politicians and child protection groups.

  35. Chris
    September 27, 2013 at 5:25 am

    Christian – – –

    Sounds like you have something to hide.

    Some “Bygones” NEED to be dealt with

  36. Jess
    September 18, 2013 at 10:10 pm

    From the girlfriend of a male child sexual abuse survivor who has never spoken out about his ordeal of being raped and sodomized by his cowardly attacker, I believe whole wholeheartedly that there should NOT be a limitations to the horrendous act of sexual abuse. This man, this bad man, is still walking around today enjoying his life whilst he stole the innocence of not just one but multiple children. He stole the amazing people they could have been. He was never brought to justice for his acts so how many young children do you think he has continued to abuse?

  37. Johnchapman
    June 6, 2013 at 6:17 pm

    Certainly sexual abuse should be punished no matter how long ago it happened.
    At this time some well known men are being accused of sexual assault,ie inappropriate touching .
    Is this really how taxpayers money is spent.

  38. Christian
    May 25, 2013 at 12:28 pm

    Having read the comments with considerable interest, it would appear that there is one outstanding point that has not been mentioned: What if the offending party has long since changed their ways (e.g. become a dedicated Christian and possibly even moved into some sort of ministry, either as a missionary, monk, or – dare I say nun? I am thinking particularly of the scenario portrayed in Les Miserables, where a criminal who has become a benevolent and deeply compassionate person is hounded by an overzealous policeman. In such instances surely, more damage is done than good. Perhaps we need reminding that the purpose of a punitive sentence is designed to achieve more than satisfy a blood lust for revenge. It is also supposed to be corrective and to dissuade the criminal from repeating the offence. Of course, imprisonment is mainly designed to protect the public. But, if the offender has already achieved a stable and productive lifestyle and presents no further danger to society, then where is the benefit of dragging that person into court – where,at the very least,family, friends, job and social life will be utterly destroyed and society will then have the additional expense of picking up the pieces after the publicity and ‘punishment’ have ‘nuked’ the entire world of that person for the sake of what may have been a moment of mental or emotional disturbance, long since conquered or treated. People can change and that should surely be taken into account. If our laws are supposed to be based on Christianity – which must include ‘forgiveness’ – then I feel this argument provides a strong case for a Statute of Limitations. I have written to several church hierarchy about this – but amazingly my letters have been totally ignored! Although one did tell me to pray to Jesus! I end this plea with a very genuine ‘Let byegones be bygones For Christ’s Sake!’

    • athiest
      July 14, 2013 at 3:47 pm

      I was abused by a very devout christian. If someone believes in religion in this day and age I would question their motives for wanting to be part of a society that gives access to innocent and equally misled young children. The church ignored your letters because they are the cause of a lot of the suffering, both with child abuse and humanity in general. Wake up and see the world for what it is, not for what plagiarizing scribes wrote 1500 years ago

  39. Su
    February 3, 2013 at 10:59 am

    If the financial compensation was to be removed then only the cases wanting ‘the truth’ might end up in court.
    When it is one person’s word against another it must be difficult to sort out when both people are alive; if one person has died then this should not go to court – how can they defend themself?

    • John
      May 12, 2015 at 2:04 am

      False accusations must be exposed by the truth.
      The police are never interested in the truth -only building a case they cannot be trusted.
      The legal system is about Money- far worse than the Banking scandals. Accusers lie – there could be many reasons such as revenge, Family splits, jealousy, spite, someone looking to be the centre of attraction.
      The case against the person accused is a shifting sand. Times and dates And places mean nothing and the prosecution will always play the “emotion card”. If accused thoroughly research. Get hard evidence, undermine the false accusations, expose the lie. Court is not about justice – it’s about winning and losing. Prepare your defence meticulously. Get legal aid immediately – you are guaranteed it no matter what your circumstances because it’s a criminal matter. The false accusations will always shift, move, change. The CPS will play the game if not giving primary or secondary disclosure. Remember that 12 people cannot get it wrong and they judge what gies on in court – never hearing previous statements or contradictions or lies of those who falsely accuse. Two accusations will send you to court because police and CPS don’t want to make decisions – it’s always kicked upstairs. Env when you are found innocent the accuser (s) have everything paid for by the public purse and you end up broke (not only financially).

      Remember if it does not make sense then it’s not true.

      I know this because I was falsely accused and exposed my accusers as liars resulting in my unanimous acquittal and the policeman who investigated me lost his job.

      • Mary
        September 24, 2015 at 8:30 pm

        How did you manage to expose the liar , we unfortunately have experienced this same thing our step dad has been accused of historic assault from years ago it’s not true but due to the so called victim putting on such a good drama show . The defendant is guilty already in the jury and judges eyes and our step dad has been sentenced 12 years do you have any advice or good legal teams you can advise please ?

  40. Andrew
    February 1, 2013 at 1:04 am

    I was abused as an adult, by two homosexual men whom I thought posed no threat. I was a very naive 21, and it was 32 years ago. I didn’t report it, thinking that it would be two people’s word against mine, and because at that time I would have been much less able to go through the inevitable stress of having to appear in court and describe what happened in explicit detail. I felt embarrassment, shame and guilt. I was sure I would come out of it feeling just as guilty as my abusers. I felt that my family and friends would certainly be horrified, and I wouldn’t know how to face them.

    A couple of years ago, I discovered that one of these two men had recently accused the other (and also a third man) of abusing him, at about the same time that I was abused. This third man ended up in prison(, possibly unjustly). But the worst of it was that his accuser is now advertising himself as an abuse counselor. I really wish I had been aware of the case in advance, because mine should have been heard too, and perhaps real justice might have prevailed.

    I am certainly very short of money myself. However, I’m not interested in compensation. I’ve bottled up some very bad memories during all these years, and I’m sure it’s spoiled my enjoyment of what I consider to be ‘normal’ relations. I need to externalize my thoughts and feelings, for my own peace of mind. Therefore, I’ve been preparing a document which describes everything I remember, to take with me when I go to report this matter, which will be very soon.

    There are more and greater reasons to do this than mere greed alone.

    • Clive
      May 10, 2014 at 12:11 am

      Many people are more promiscuous in their early life than later, and I suspect you are one of them. Many people also regret doing things they’ve done in the past. If you didn’t like the sex you could have walked out. But you didn’t, and you haven’t described it as “assault”, but abuse, so there was no “struggle”. I suspect you consented at the time (which doesn’t require you to actually say the words “I consent”) and so will the police if you report it.

      “Regret”, does not make the other person (or ‘people’ since you seem to have engaged in an orgy) evil. And “regret” does not give you the right to allege a criminal offense you know to be false.

      • John
        May 18, 2014 at 3:42 pm

        which is just common sense over bad Laws and false accusations which the system defends
        i mean c´mon the criminal injustice system agenda these days don`t want truth (survivors & victims groups)
        only playing politics with people lives,

  41. Joe Blogg
    January 13, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    Well, I have been falsely accused of raped. The sex was completely consensual and occurred in 2001 (or there about) I found out a few months ago via a family member that this person claims that the consensual sex was actually rape. I have no idea why she has made this claim but it is completely false. She claim that she woke up and found me having sex with her then threw me out of the house (that doesn’t even sound right!). So now I have to live with the possibility that this woman (who is now 47) could decide to take legal action after-all this time even though she consented and was very much involved in the sexual act. It is absolutely unbelievable!!!

  42. Barney
    January 13, 2013 at 1:21 am

    My mother physically abused me as a 5 year old child, it went from sessions of near drowning on a daily basis, being thrown from one side of the house to the other, to her eventually scalding both my hands in boiling hot water. The skin on my hands stuck to the ambulance mans tunic it was that bad. I spent 6 months in hospital and 13 years in kids homes up and down the country. Even though the social services knew I was at risk, my mother was never prosecuted.
    Eventually the social services, put a no family contact on the family as they thought I was still at risk. The rest of the family sided with my mothers version of events in that I was uncontrollable.
    I’m 51 today and by and large have moved on with my life, but I still have horiffic nightmares going back to when I was 5. My mother is now 75, I don’t want compensation and would not seek it from her, I don’t particularly want her jailed. But I do want her to stand in the dock and face up to what she actually did and the rest of the family get to hear the real version of events…

    • Chris Pollard
      April 6, 2013 at 10:23 pm

      My ex wife seriously assaulted my five year old daughter when she was 5 years old crushing her face nearly ripping off her ears and leaving deep bite marks on her stomach. I used a camcorder to record her confession to the assault. She blamed her menstrual period, that my daughter had been pretending to cry and that she ‘didn’t listen to her voice’ She also admitted kicking a hole in the lounge door and chasing me around the house with a kitchen knife. I gave the recording to North Wales police who refused to action the case because a) it was an ‘ethnic thing’ my ex wife being Asian. b) that the recording was not of sufficient quality to be used in evidence. As things stand my ex wife would satisfy a Criminal Records Bureau check and be free to work in an unsupervised capacity with vulnerable children and adults.North Wales police once more show themselves to be ‘unfit for purpose’

  43. brian church
    December 21, 2012 at 9:22 am

    My late Mother was deafened by war work and this was accepted by War Pensions (on appeal) but she presented her claim “too late” as she falsely believed that the provisions of the Official Secrets Act applied to all who had served in WW2 Having worked on the Enigma Code Breaking she never even discussed this with my late Father or he with her about his war work.
    Why then if such limitations apply in these circumstances do sensible limits not apply to all other cases of Civil or Criminal injustice. Would I be labelled a cynic if I expressed my opinion that it is a money related exercise by lawyers – let alone the real victims – prompted to seek “compo” from tax paying citizens

  44. Danny
    November 11, 2012 at 12:37 am

    I was abused as a young child and so many others, at a boarding school. the man was a head master and is still alive today, he was cleared of these claims, but again he was involved in another abuse with young girls, and again he was cleared of these claims, this was in the 60s and 70s, this as disturbed me very deeply, if i had to go ,to court it would not be for the money as i would give it back to help other victims to pay for there case, one of the boys i am in contact with is more stronger than me and said he is a surviver and not a victim, but wants to meet this man face to face

    • bobjob
      November 11, 2012 at 1:07 am

      I sympathise as I was in a similar situation but why put yourself through this again? I really believe that the past is the past and that the past is where such experiences belong. Show your strength by not giving in to revenge and instead, move forward with your life.

  45. Jane Martin
    November 8, 2012 at 11:55 pm

    i am a victim of abuse myself but must agree that there should be a statute of limitations. Looking at and reading about all of the ‘historic’ cases that have recently come to light, it seems to me that there may be some genuine victims in there somewhere, but they are being smothered by all of the ‘get rich quick’ schemers who have also jumped on the bandwagon and knocked the whole thing totally totally off balance. There needs to be some sort of proof that the victim must provide other than just ‘their word’. Also the idea that some has suggested that any ‘payout’ for the victim should be just used for therapy or treatment is an excellent one. It would certainly sort the true victims from the ‘money grabbers’.

  46. Tracy
    October 19, 2012 at 4:45 pm

    We have a lot more knowledge now about child sex abusers. We know they often abuse many children not just one. I have wondered many times if my abuser went on to abuse other children and I have a bad conscience that I never came forward. Should I now go to the police after 38 years? If I did it would be for any other victims not myself as I have long come to terms with what happened to me.

  47. David
    July 7, 2012 at 2:58 am

    I was raped by my head teacher in 1950 and never spoke about it for over 60 years. Why should I be denied justice and not receive substantial payments for all the hurt and suffering alone for all those years. His actions ruined my life. Of course my abuser is long dead but he was known as a child rapist by the people in authority who never did a thing about him and other in his paedophile ring.

    • Raymond Peytors -
      July 7, 2012 at 9:38 am

      There are several points here:

      1. The reason that other countries have a Statute of Limitations on sexual offences is precisely to deal with the situation you describe.

      Such a limitation encourages people to report the crime, usually within 10 years of the offence. This means that evidence is still as reliable as possible – which it is not after 50 years. This in turn makes it more likely that the alleged offender will be convicted and therefore bring some closure to the victim which is not available to them if they do not report the offence.

      2. If the offence is reported within the time limit and the alleged offender is convicted, psychological help is made available to the victim, thus saving them from years of suffering.

      3. Reporting the offence within the time limit makes it more likely that the offender will be apprehended and unable to hurt others in the same way.

      4. You are wrong about the purpose of payments made by the State. Monetary compensation is not a “pay out” for the alleged victims. Where compensation is paid by the State, the money is intended to pay for therapy/psychological help. It is not intended to go into the victim’s pocket.

      5. Whatever the personal reason may be for not reporting an offence such as rape, by not reporting it, the victim does not help themselves, they endanger others and effectively make it almost impossible to obtain a reliable conviction.

      A Statute of Limitations addresses all these issues by forcing alleged victims to report the crime or else run the risk of not obtaining justice for themselves whilst also endangering others. Frankly, complaining about it half a century later helps no one. – Editor

      • David
        July 8, 2012 at 2:28 am

        If you have not lived through the period I am writing about it is sometimes hard for ‘younger’ people to understand it was a very different world in 1940’s to about 1970.
        In the 1940’s and 1950’s little boys were just that little boys!
        In 1950 when I was first abused I was a little boy of 10 and sexual assault by anyone was never in my brain. I really didn’t know what was happening to me, except I knew it was wrong. But who to complain to? My parents were devout Catholics and would never believe ill of a priest. But I told my father but he did not believe me but instead punished me severely for lying about the incident and the priest. I was sent back to the school and the abuse continued.After two years I tried suicide but amazingly survived my attempt. Still no one connected the school with my trauma. It took two more years to a point I had grown bigger and stronger and lashed out during a particularly violent rape attack and fought back and escaped my abuser. I was in such a mess when I arrived home my father finally realised something was desperately wrong with his only son. He managed to get a meeting with my abuser and his bishop. All that happened was I left the school that day and nothing happened to the principal. His abuse of boys under his care carried on for a dozen more years. He was finally dumped in a small parish and died two years later without a single charge ever brought against him. There were other priests in his paedophile ring, one even became a bishop. and many other teachers were complicit in sending boys as young as 10 years old up to see the principal for ‘punishment’.
        We, the victims, lived our lives and carried on rarely achieving to be anything special in the way of employment.
        I am not seeking money from the government, but the employers of my abuser, the Church! Perhaps they might even give us all an apology as well handwritten by the Pope!
        I came from a time that things like this were never discussed as they are today.
        The culture at the school, very famous by the way,meant that though countless boys were abused on a regular basis, it was never discussed by the boys themselves either at the time or for decades later.
        Other boys committed suicide over the past many years, the actual number unknown of course. There are a couple of other attempted suicide survivors other then me.
        I found out by accident that I was one of many victims by chance only last year. Someone saw my abusers name and said ‘wasn’t he your headmaster?’. I had said for years that XX was an abuser, without admitting I had been a victim. It was a crime that had the title “One of those crimes no one ever talks about” too horrible to relate. That’s how the Church has bluffed its way through for all these years. Victims who did complain were bamboozled into denial and sometimes wound up thinking that THEY were to blame for the priests actions! Some were told to say a lot of prayers to get forgiveness for the awful sins THEY had committed on the priests!
        Other than my father no one else ever knew what happened to me till last year, even now only a very selected few know the truth. I know today one is expected to rush to the nearest TV station and bare your soul for a few pounds and titalate the masses.
        I have no idea how I have carried this burden for 60 years but it affected my life in a hundred ways. My wife of over 40 years knew that something deep inside had been troubling her husband all these years. When I finally told her last year she was astounded, She had thought of a hundred reasons why her husband was totally different to everyone else. She said me being abused by a priest was something she had never even thought of.
        Thankfully in one way, because we are so many, there are too many victims to ignore in this case.
        I agree that one person coming forward after decades explaining they were abused by someone, now dead, it makes everything very difficult for others to believe.
        But when countless victims come forward and tell their story without any fore knowledge of anyone elses evidence then it makes for a powerful case.
        Especially as the abused boys are scattered all over the world and actually don’t know or have never met each other.

        • Raymond Peytors -
          July 8, 2012 at 10:24 am

          Editor’s Note: I am sure that there will be others with views about this – both supportive and otherwise, so I suggest that you take it to the forum and start a new topic in the section “Child Protection Issues”. You may be surprised at the response you get. Thank you for your comment to – Editor

        • John
          July 8, 2012 at 10:32 am

          What you describe went on in every boarding school across the country and probably still does. I am 70 now and have always regarded what happened as a part of life. I have never considered myself a victim because, like you, I always had the option of going to the police. Over the last 20 years I have had many people try to convince me that I am in fact a victim. Most of these people either want compensation (money), are lawyers or are generally dissatisfied with their lot in life and are totally incapable of facing up to the fact that life is not easy and therefore want to blame someone else. In any event, sounds to me that you and your crusading colleagues only want two things: money and revenge, neither of which have anything to do with justice. If it was all such a “burden”, you’ve had at least 40 years of adult life to come to terms with it. If you haven’t managed to do that at this stage, you never will, whether you get your money or not. Leave the past in the past and enjoy what time you have left – that is your only way to get the revenge you seem to so desparately seek.

          • Clive
            May 10, 2014 at 12:27 am

            So well put John.

    • Dr Kat
      October 6, 2012 at 9:18 pm

      The whole premise of this article shockingly lacks empathy for victims and portrays perpetrators as victims. Anyone who knows anything about trauma would know that trauma and its memories and experiences lose all sense of time and space- victims can often recall in a second the events because time and space fall away- 20 years 40 years is meaningless in respect to the life long damage caused to victims of sex crimes in particular child sex times . ( See Dr R D Stolorow- Trauma and Human Existence) There are always instances of wrongful incarceration for many crimes but to deny a victim of such despicable crimes based on the myth that somehow ‘time ‘ distorts memories or in some way minimizes the events is manipulative ignorant and wreaks of agendas- The law should remain as is – Everyone who has been perpetrated by a perpetrator of a sex crime hopefully WILL find the courage to speak out , NOT minimize their experience so that society will stop burying these events that not only shatter the lives of the victims but also their families who suffer also for years.

      • Andy Dixon
        May 9, 2014 at 12:15 pm

        “The law should remain as is [sic] – Everyone who has been perpetrated [sic] by a perpetrator of a sex crime…”
        You must have been tired when you wrote this.

      • Paul
        September 23, 2014 at 12:30 pm

        “…the MYTH that somehow ‘time’ distorts memories…”

        That is seriously laughable. Of course memories are lost and distorted over time. It is also possible for it to be completely changed, that is why you never ask children leading questions as it literally puts memories in their head.

    • Dr Katrina Wood
      October 6, 2012 at 10:06 pm

      In addition shame- minimization- fear of families rejecting victims again from shame and disbelief are all aspects of why it takes years from victims to come forward- The Catholic Church is being bombarded because it takes a number of years to be on the planet experience ego strength etc to come forward. The more society permits these truths to be expressed the shorter the time frames will become hopefully to speak out BUT back in the 50s these crimes were NEVER spoken about- families were told to keep whatever evils existed within the four walls of their homes- thankfully psychology has developed and we realize now that speaking about suffering has curative results. There is always risk but to minimize the anguish and fear that goes with betraying a family and admitting someone in the midst has been an offender takes years – to relegate the anguish and terror of taking these steps that say you ‘ Must do this within twelve years’ is utter reductionism and ignorance of the impact of trauma on the psyche.
      Read more of Dr R D Stolorow- Dr George Atwood Dr. Donna Orange- Dr Peter Levine- Dr Pia Melody- to name a few. Get your facts straight please-

      • Jenny
        October 7, 2012 at 5:56 pm

        I don’t know what you are a Dr of exactly but you sound like a psychologist or therapist. Either way, you certainly sound like someone who makes their living by taking people that have dealt with the trauma of past events in their own way and then teaching those same people that they are “victims”, even if they did not feel as such before someone like you got their hands on them.

        I was in love when I was younger with a much older man, never felt it was abuse and never forgave the psychologist – someone with the same views that you have expressed – who 25 years later then came and completely screwed up my life, my emotions and my future marriage.

        Until then, I had dealt with the past perfectly well but no, your colleagues decided that whether I wanted to or not, I would accept that I was a victim, by force if necessary in order that I would testify against him – which I did not by the way.

        That psychologist abused me far more than the man with whom I was in love all those years previously.

        Frankly, people like you should be taken out of circulation and certainly not allowed to force your so called professional opinion on to others or force your beliefs into their lives.

        You should certainly not purport to make your living from instilling shane and suffering on those who have already dealt with past events in their own way, particularly at the behest of the police or social services who just want a cheap and easy historic conviction.

        • Dr Katrina Wood
          October 7, 2012 at 10:02 pm

          Many people out there absolutely were victims and have a right to their voice if they want to express their experience and to seek resolution in any way they so chose within the law to find some peace of mind so they can move forward in their lives. I don’t decide who does what in their lives nor do my colleagues, people make choices they seek help . If they don’t need or want it they don’t seek it.
          Not everyone wants to confront their perpetrators, they don’t have to , this post simply supports the rights of anyone who over time seeks to make the choice to speak out and find ways to heal that work for them. A statute of limitations would take that choice away as it has in many European countries and that’s wrong, especially when the powerful effects of trauma can take years to surface.
          Being criticized for supporting those that do wish to find resolution makes no sense.
          Not everyones story is the same of course. But Why should the affected the traumatized ones lose their right to their own timetable if THEY want to and its THEIR choice ? Every case is different – every persons story is different- This post is simply about the right to preserve and protect the rights of anyone where trauma takes years to surface and they are protected by law and don’t miss the opportunity. That’s all .

          • Aremus
            October 8, 2012 at 11:44 am

            I have seen so many people jumo on the “historic offences” bandwagon. Easy to prove, no evidence needed, compensation paid, often innocent men in jail.

            I’m sick to death of hearing about victims, survivors or whatever desciption happens to be fashionable at the time when the real problem is people like you who make money from other people’s misfortune.

            I there were a statute of limitations, your bank balance – and that of the charities that playing the same game – would take a massive hit. If you really expect people to take you seriously, put a method in place whereby compensation is paid for “therapy only” and goes direct to the practitioner instead of the alleged “victim”

            When Germany ended the payment of compensation for abuse cases, claims of historic abuse al but disappeared.

            Do yourself and the rest of us a favour and stop meddling in other people’s lives solely so that you can boost your own ego and your own bank balance.

          • Paul
            September 23, 2014 at 12:48 pm

            A statute of limitation would not take that choice away from them. Given that people who suffer abuse are probably more likely to suffer depression and/or commit suicide I would think that the quicker they get help the better. A statute of limitation would at least make people decide whether they want to make an accusation or just get on with their lives rather than just fester.

            Personally, I think that the moral imperative of speaking up in order to prevent other people falling victim to an abuser trumps everything. The sooner they speak up the better for all concerned, they can get help, the abuser is more likely to be prosecuted and convicted and imprisoned and best of all no one else will have to go through the agony of being abused by them.

            That is empowerment and would do wonders for the victims self esteem to know that they have saved others from suffering in the same way. Something of which they can be very proud!

            Of course the ‘industry’ that has arisen to help victims needs a constant supply in order to pay their bills so anything that reduces that supply will be shouted down.

            A statute of limitation is not perfect and of course there will always be exceptional cases (e.g. person in coma for length of statute of limitations) but the law can allow for flexibility at the discretion of a judge.

        • John
          May 18, 2014 at 4:16 pm

          very well put jenny and just shows up their AGENDA that the prosecution and police will pay to get `the right EXPERTS` and persuade the `victim` to reinterpret their experience as a crime,
          and therefore secure a`successful historic conviction`
          too easy for them these days, elite feminists ensured the laws were messed with, expanded the meaning of rape, heresay evidence and past convictions (even non sexual allowed)dates changed etc etc.
          thre are 1000s of innocent men locked up false allegations

    • Robert
      November 3, 2012 at 12:54 pm

      If the abuser is longer dead and the ‘people in authority’ are long retired, then who pays? The payers, the current tax payers are not involved in the abuse.

  48. (name supplied)
    March 16, 2012 at 3:59 pm

    I have only just reported being raped as a child for over 2.5 years. The abuse started 30 years ago and has effected my life totally. I have only just started to come to terms with this and found the courage to even speak about it let alone do a video statement. various reasons such as my own mother not taking action made me think that no one would believe me. Its only now that i realise that its not a question that i should worry about. I think a statute of limitation would be damaging. For the record i gain no financial benefit from waiting infact i cant claim any money whatsoever.

    • m
      March 12, 2014 at 12:29 am

      I found out last year my daughter was abused from the age of 7 to the age of 12 she was raped and abused my my friends son she is a child minder looking after my daughter her son and his friend abused from the age of 7 he was 10 years old now he is 17 .
      my daughter has been vidio by the police now they say there dropping the case she now has to live with this abuse and rape for the rest of her life while they get on with there lifes and the childminder still looks after other peoples kids with her pedo son is there to abuse other little ch8ldren wheres justice in that

  49. Robert Whiston
    March 7, 2012 at 12:41 am

    I would like to publish the above article on my blog which deals with various types of rapes and countries. Have you any objections ot conditions ?
    If there is any analysis I have done which you might find useful please let me know.

    • Raymond Peytors -
      March 7, 2012 at 10:56 am

      Editors note: You are more than welcome to publish this and any of our other articles on your site free of charge, provided that you preserve a link to the original article. You may wish to use the search facility to locate related material. Relevant conditions can be found by clicking HERE and looking under under the heading ‘General’- Editor

  50. Michelle
    February 27, 2012 at 4:53 pm

    Please do remember when publishing articles like this the effects it may have on vulnerable victims, not everyone is brave enough to come forward at the time.
    Sometimes the memories won’t bother you for years and years then all of a sudden something will trigger that memory off, this can be devastating on a victims life when you feel your back re-living everything that happened to you as a child.
    Although you people think so called victims (as stated) do this for money, this isn’t always the case. Maybe you should look into this deeper and see that maybe this is the only way a victim is able to move on and carry on with their life after this person destroyed all those years ago.
    So I disagree that there should be a limit on time.

    • Harry
      February 27, 2012 at 5:40 pm

      You may feel that but remember that very many men have been sent to jail on the basis of some stoyry concoted years after the event with no real evidence being presented. We need a statute oflimitations, not just for sex crimes but for other offences as well. It makes me sick when someone who claims abuse is immediately regarded as a victim when nothing has been proved. If you are not going to have a statute of limitations, the accuser must produce REAL evidence, not simply rely on theur word being accepted. This is the only country where this happens and false accusations have destoyed very many families as a result. If someone is really a victim, they should have to prove it – always.

      • Michelle
        February 27, 2012 at 6:10 pm

        I believe if a person has been abused then they have every right to be regarded to as a victim.
        The accused would not be sent to prison if there was not substatial evidence, it would be thrown out.
        It disappoints me that there are people out there who would actually protect predators, if that’s not twisted then im not sure what is.

        • Raymond Peytors -
          February 27, 2012 at 9:03 pm

          Editors note: I am sure nobody would disagree with the idea of an abused individual being regarded as a victim. The problem is that it is simply untrue that “if there was not substatial evidence, it would be thrown out.” That is simply not the case and has not been the case ever since the need for corroboration of evidence was removed and eroded by successive governments. More and more cases are coming to grief when the alleged victim, realizing that the game is up, breaks down in court and admits the whole thing was a fabrication, something that then damages the credibility of all genuine victims. The fact is that under the law as it stands, particularly if the alleged victim is/was a child, the defendant has to prove his innocence rather than the prosecution have to prove his guilt. It is a fact, like it or not and as was pointedly put in Parliament, that when the German authorities removed compensation for sexual abuse, the number of ‘victims’ coming forward dropped by almost 70%. Sexual abuse has now regrettably become a political tool and a licence to reverse the burden of proof. Having to prove one’s innocence when there is no evidence other than the word of two opposing people is impossible. It creates a situation that flies in the face of natural justice in the eyes of most people and results in many innocent men going to jail as well as those who are guilty.- Editor

          • Michelle
            February 27, 2012 at 9:26 pm

            I completely understand what you are saying, but 12 years would not have been long enough for me to have brought a case against my parents….. It took me 22 years.
            The case is now pending, so are you suggesting I should drop it and allow them to walk free?

          • Raymond Peytors -
            February 27, 2012 at 10:21 pm

            Thank you for your response. I am merely pointing out the imbalance of the current Law. I have no more moral authority than anyone else and would not be so direspectful as to suggest what you as an individual should do, not least because every case is different. My point is solely that other countries have their limitation statutes in order to avoid the tragedy of innocent people spending their lives in jail; the price they are prepared to pay for that is that inevitably some guilty people go free and maybe the British are not prepared to pay that price and would rather see the innocent incarcerated as well as the guilty. – Editor

          • Louise
            June 27, 2012 at 10:52 pm

            The need for corroboration has NOT been removed. The court needs at least 2 pieces of independent evidence for any case to go to trial. Serious sex crimes are judged by a jury, and the cases go on for a considerable length of time, while evidence is pored over in great detail and tested very robustly in court.

            You state that very many families have been destroyed and that many men are in prison as a result of miscarraiges of justice. What evidence do YOU have of this? These families may well have been destroyed but in the majority of cases it has been by the defendents actions, not the victims.

            The defendent absolutely does NOT have to prove their innocence, that’s simply not true. Prosecutors have to prove beyond any reasonable doubt that an accused person is guilty. Witnesses, including victims, are questioned for hours, their evidence tested over and over again. But then, you’ve made up the information about corroborative evidence as well, so you don’t seem to care that much about facts.

            What you’re saying is that people guilty of these horrendous crimes need only wait for 12 years to pass before they can start laughing up their sleeves and celebrating the fact that they got away with ruining the lives of their victims.

            Perhaps you should do a LOT more research into this subject before writing about it, and it may be an idea to speak to/volunteer with victims of this kind of crime to understand the dynamics which are created by abusers actions, which paralyse victims and render them terrified to come forward immediately.

            What you’re asking for is a system which fails victims even more than it does just now, and that’s totally unacceptable.

          • Raymond Peytors -
            June 27, 2012 at 11:51 pm

            I am sorry to say that you are placing your faith in a jury system which, in these types of cases, place emotions and bias ahead of the Law. In effect, you describe – accurately – what SHOULD happen and not what actually takes place. It also follows that you believe that the countries that do in fact have a Statute of Limitations are all wrong in doing so.

            You are also wrong as “Similar Fact” evidence has been allowed for over 15 years ever since the House of Lords removed the need for corroboration.

            Maybe you have been a victim of such an offence in which case your view is understandable, if limited in its application. – Editor

          • Jenny
            June 27, 2012 at 11:56 pm

            Louise, you are wrong. My husband was convicted and then had his sentence quashed on appeal when the so called victim was found to have been lying.

            We didn’t even get an apology from the police or the CPS.

          • John
            May 18, 2014 at 4:19 pm

            sounds about right too me

      • Vanessa
        July 11, 2014 at 12:45 am

        If people are wrongfully convicted due to lack of evidence that is also th victim’s fault not the legal system? The victim was judge and jury? This is a blame the victim festival.

  51. Jean Butler
    January 31, 2012 at 11:15 am

    My husband was convicted of historical sexual abuse and sentenced to 9 years 9 months in prison. There was no evidence other than the word of his accusers. The offences were supposed to have happened 34 years ago. The accusers lied in Court ( I know this because I have read the transcripts) but jury convicted anyway.He had no defence other than to say “I didn’t do this”
    He is 65 and has worked hard all of his life as I have. But he is not entitled to his State Pension and neither am I.
    If he is to Appeal it will take years and thousands of pounds and even if he succeeds, he will unlikely be compensated. He is likely to commit suicide as a result

    • Raymond Peytors -
      January 31, 2012 at 11:28 am

      This is a clear example of ‘guilty until proven innocent’. There are few people who can give an innacurate or hinest account of anything that was alleged to have happened 34 years ago. The only reason that the UK still allows historic cases is because of the political pressure and moral blackmail of the child protection charities. There are few historic cases of adult sexual assault. This is because children (even those who wait until they are adults to bring the case and get the compensation) never have to explain themselves! All we ever hear about from the police and CPS are comments relating to ‘these brave people who come forward after so many years’. They don’t mention that these ‘brave’ people usually only come forward when they run out of money. Jean, were there groounds for appeal at all? The reason I ask is that usually such historic cases do not result in such a heavy sentence, given that the sentence cannot be more than the maximum sentence at the time of the offence. If you would prefer to answer via email rather than publicly, please do so. – Editor

      • (name supplied)
        March 16, 2012 at 4:09 pm

        I resent your comment …these ‘brave’ people usually only come forward when they run out of money. I have just done my video statement after 30 years. My additional evidence is my own sister who was also abused. We stand to gain absolutely nothing in terms of cash or holidays and we don’t want it. How dare you challenge the bravery of someone like my sister whilst applying your view of injustice? What qualifies you to tar us all with the same brush?

      • Andy Dixon
        May 9, 2014 at 12:34 pm

        While it is certainly true that in convictions for historic abuse the sentence cannot be greater than the maximum sentence that applied at the time of the offences, it seems that judges are now willing to get round this difficulty, as in the Max Clfford case, by resorting to consecutive, rather than the more usual concurrent, sentences.

  52. Ramon1940
    March 20, 2011 at 11:11 pm

    Dear Mr Paytors,
    There are thousands of innocents incarcerated in our prisons today, soley on the words of the accuser and with no corroborative evidence.
    I have first hand knowledge of this as have all of us on the FA’s site that I belong to. Fighting for justice for our loved ones is an uphill struggle, mainly owing to the inability/unwillingness of the police forces to cross check the accusers complaints.
    The previous Government brought in legislation that made is impossible for the accused to bring any kind of evidence in defence of these complaints which can be spread by the accuser over any number of years, without specific dates being produced, or any medical evidence whatsoever.
    In these cases the accused is presumed Guilty, unless he/she can catagorically prove innocence.
    And the accuser walks away with a big fat cheque at the taxpayers expence.

  53. March 19, 2011 at 6:17 pm

    Dear Mr Paytor,
    Your article corroborates everything those in the victim falsely accused community have been saying for a long time.

    It is an open secret within the police, the CPS and the judiciary but no one has the moral fortitude, honesty or probity to do anything about false allegations of a sexual nature as it is not in the political or judicial interest to do so.


    1. Lack of political will to stand up to the feminist lobby, NSPCC and others with a financial interest in the ‘abuse’ industry.

    2. It serves political purpose in maintaining the propaganda of hysteria inculcated into the public and carries the popularist vote; “tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime”.

    3. The destruction of rights and protections in law:
    (Sec 6(1) Magistrates Act 1980, Article 6(2) Human Rights Act 1998 and Article 38 Magna Carta 1275 but to name a few, for those accused of an alleged offence of a sexual nature.
    This is the only offence whereby a prosecution can go forward to trial on the uncorroberated, unsubstantiated word alone of the ‘complainant’.

    It was confirmed to me by a solicitor that the accused in this instance has, I quote: “No rights, no rights”.

    4. Home office circulars to the police, the CPS and counsel have instructed defence counsel to put up ‘least challenge and minimal resistance to the Crown in cases of a sexual nature’. The CPS has a policy of ‘positive charging’ in effect to follow the words of Jack Straw, that every case that can be charged (no matter how weak or tenuous, my words)to achieve 100% convictions.
    According to Mr Straw, “A person cannot be not guilty”. Yes, you read that correctly!

    I am curious to know, since when did ‘policy’and ‘directive’supercede common and statute law?
    Also many CPS offices have a policy of ‘total non-disclosure to the defence’.
    This is in direct violation of the Attorney General’s Guidelines, the Guinness Advice and the laws regarding the Crown’s continuing duty of disclosure.

    5. Police investigitive doctrine in cases of a sexual nature is not to investigate all reasonable lines of enquiry or to follow lines of enquiry or gather evidence pointing to the innocence of the accused, rather, to ‘build a case’ against the accused to fit the ‘evidence’, ie; the simple word alone, of the complainant without investigating the veracity of the complainant or the credibility of the allegation.

    And so it goes on, but so called investigitive journalists will not publish innocent victim falsely accused’s first hand experience of the abuse of power, procedure and process of the police who breach PACE 1984 with impunity.

    I have tried to no avail to find a journalist who has the round spherical objects to take on this abomination of an injustice that is being played out in courts every day.

    What is going on and being allowed to continue is a damning indictment against those charged by the electorate to represent us.

    It is a damning indictment against the justice system, but worst of all it is a damning indictment against us as a society, who by our inaction condone the injustice of false allegation and the decimation of tens of thousands of lives year on year.

    There is so much more I can say on this subject and by first hand experience of supporting and fighting for an innocent victim falsely accused can substantiate with cogent evidence all I say.
    I would be interested in your thoughts.
    Best Regards,
    Verity Justice

    • Max
      December 5, 2012 at 1:56 pm

      I have entered this unreal world of false accusations and automatic convictions. When I was first arrested, I felt happy that good old British Justice would soon put things right. When the two arresting officers gave me a lift home and later produced a statement alleging that I had made a comment that amounted to a virtual confession, I became very afraid. Legal Aid has been reduced to a point where Solicitors are not paid enough to do a job for you. Many of them complain, but the fact is my solicitor would talk of nothing other than “Plead Guilty and receive the credit against your jail sentence”. (When you are well into your seventies, this has little appeal and it is an obnoxious blackmail anyway.) My solicitor gave me the statistics – In Crown Court cases, 90% of defendants plead guilty. Of the remaining 10%, half are convicted except in cases of sexual crimes, where the conviction rate is higher.
      I have a copy of “CPS CONSULTATION ON THE HANDLING OF RAPE CASES ”. In the text it says “Corroboration or supporting evidence is not essential but is always looked for, particularly any medical or scientific evidence” The CPS have looked at the evidence i.e. The totally uncorroborated allegations and the video transcript of the police interview, and they have decided that there is a good prospect of getting a conviction.
      The current ”system” is a conveyor belt to prison. It has taken me seven months of research and study to get my solicitor to talk about a defence. I have been a thorn in his side. His firm must be counting the cost. I asked an expert in this field how much he would charge to represent me. His basic fee is £42k including VAT. Legal Aid is drastically reduced and the average person cannot afford to pay for professional help. I may yet be convicted, but, I will at least see the “evidence” tested in court. Nevertheless, I remain certain that I should not even be there.

      • Clive
        May 10, 2014 at 12:35 am

        Get a DPA Barrister. Not a solicitor plus regular barrister. Direct public access barristers are like any american or belgian attorney, they can talk to you and the judge. And they’re a lot cheaper than the old (living on borrowed time) system.

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